Talk:Ynglinga saga

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Anglings=Asa?

Can that be proven?????

This needs to be rewritten.

More like Anglings=Vanir or Ingvanir.

User:Kenneth Alan

[Odin travels to Scandinavia][edit]

-As a result, Odin led a section of the Æsir to the north looking for new lands in which to settle. They used the Viking route up the Don and the Volga through Garðaríki, Viking Russia. From there they went to Saxland (Germany) and to the lands of Gylfi in Scandinavia (Section 5). The historical view, of course, is mainly fantastical. The Germanics were in Germany and Scandinavia during earliest mention of them in Roman literature, long before the Romans had even conquered Italy. To what extent Snorri's presentation is poetic creation only remains unclear.

--Snorri never makes the claim that there were no Germanic people living in the area. Assyria is Ásaland. Assyr is Æsir and Assur is Össur. Greater Sweden is Skutþjóð/Scythia. And Odin is not a God he is a Goð witch in Old Norse does not mean God. If it did mean god then Goðar in Iceland would also be considered gods witch they were not. Goð/Goði is a person of high importance. Odin was him self a Dróttinn this means that he was a high priest. He had many others with him as is stated in Heimskringla. But this priest class died out and it is not explained why.

[Origin of Germanics][edit]

-The historical view, of course, is mainly fantastical. The Germanics were in Germany and Scandinavia during earliest mention of them in Roman literature, long before the Romans had even conquered Italy.

-- Where is the proof of that? I haven't seen any proof of that there were any Germanics before the common era. The most probable scenario that I can see is that they left the region around the Black Sea sometime between 700 BCE and 200 BCE; probably two nations just as Snorri described, nations that are represented by the R1a and R1b Y-DNA haplotypes in Scandinavia, while the I1 haplotype is indigenous. I'm not ruling out that there had been a previous incursion by a small band of Celtics who might have set up small kingdoms which the Proto-Germanics later took over.

This hypothesis explains a huge number of mysteries surrounding Norse civilization, Norse language and cultural artifacts that they introduced to Europe.

The Germanic peoples were most likely the bearers of the Nordic Bronze Age culture and therefore left the black sea region long before 700 BC if that is indeed their Urheimat. Germanic peoples in northern Europe had been noted by figures such as Pytheas since at least the fourth century BC, centuries before the common era. Canodae (talk) 13:34, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Synopsis Rewrite[edit]

The entire synopsis needs a rewrite; far too much of it is modern interpretation, far too little is summary of the text as presented. E.g. there are no references to the Caucasus in Snorri's text; the placement of Turks on the other side of Svithjod's mountain boundary more than likely makes this range the Urals (ostensibly known to Germanics through integration of Finns, Kvens, Permian and other Uralic populations - please do homework).

While Turks were present south of the Caucasus in Snorri's day [Seljuks], they had originated from further north, persisted further north, had ravaged Gothic lands from their Central Asian abode in centuries prior - one might consider that the generally astute Germanic lore regarding nearby Turkic peoples would appropriately place them north of the Caucasus, where they persisted even beyond the Ottoman period (whereas, it could hardly be said that Turks existed south of the Caucasus prior to the Seljuks, who must postdate Odin & co.). Either Snorri is getting his own timeframes mixed up, or some half-educated early modern scholar (unsourced) has made a woefully inappropriate guess.

There are numerous other points I could make about this "synopsis," ranging from misunderstandings of ancient uses of the term "Troy" (it literally means "town") to misunderstandings of directionality of Roman ethnoculture (the "Kingdom of the Romans" starts in the east, in/around Dacia [Romania], produces Byzantium, before colonising western Italy, founding the "Rome" we know today [whence Western Empire] *edit: certainly to Snorri and his kin, "Rome" would mean "Byzantium" i.e. Greece, potentially stretching back in time beyond Mycenean civilisation [Cucuteni-Tripilya culture is a good candidate for Ur-Rome]). In fact, such a woeful understanding not only of geographical, cultural, and political realities of Snorri's time and the time that he is supposedly describing (which is certainly older than the Western Empire, of that there can be no doubt), but also of the spiritual character of the people in question (the Norse) - I can only say that this is probably the worst interpretation of a Norse text I have ever read, and I am horrified that people are reading this page and considering that this "synopsis" is a fair rendition of the contents of Snorri's work.

Given that there are no sources for any of the mad assertions in this "synopsis," I suggest that someone take the time to merely condense the cleanest English translation into fewer words - that is what a synopsis is supposed to be, not a litany of assumptions, unsourced guesswork, and academic solipsism.