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reason for his license suspension[edit]
This is nitpicky but it matters I think. The article reads, "In June 2021 Giuliani had his license to practice law suspended in the state of New York, pending an investigation related to the disputed 2020 presidential election"
This sentence lacks clarity at best and is misleading (unintentionally no doubt) at worst. First his license was suspended for his role in the attempt to discredit the 2020 presidential election in Trump's favor. Furthermore, the 2020 election is not in dispute by any credible people or evidence. Therefore Wikipedia describing the 2020 election as a "disputed presidential election" gives credence to the false claims made about that election. You might consider the following"
"In June 2021 Giuliani had his license to practice law suspended in the state of New York, pending an investigation related to his effort to dispute the results of the 2020 presidential election"
No doubt one of you could do much better but I hope you see what I'm getting at. And I realize further down in the article this is dealt with in good detail, but this sentence could vastly be improved for clarity. 2603:8081:8700:687D:FD9A:13F8:B884:72B6 (talk) 20:00, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- That's a reasonable idea -- I've adopted it. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:08, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- Remember there is a lot of evidence of irregularities and illegalities in the 2020 election. The corrupt media would often use the word ‘debunked’ when they don;t like the evidence.
- You should watch 2000 mules. Giuliani’s license was suspended by a radical left NY bar for political persecution Vaccuumlivingroom (talk) 18:40, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- 2000 Mules has been debunked thoroughly. The New York Bar is "radical left"? Lol. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- This is because Giuliani on September 11, 2001, had a FEMA headquarters based in World Trade Center 7. Despite this, however, Giuliani and his peers somehow managed not to show up at Building 7 that day, hours before the building collapsed. That didn't stop other employees of the organization to go there, and unfortunately die within the collapse of Building 7. Saysaywhatno02 (talk) 04:40, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- 2000 Mules has been debunked thoroughly. The New York Bar is "radical left"? Lol. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
December 2023 defamation lawsuit[edit]
Since I cannot add to this page anymore: I suggest making it clearer that Freeman and Moss have filed the new suit because of further defamation. As noted in coverage including the linked Guardian article about the verdict, Giuliani spoke with press outside on the courthouse after the ruling, insisting that what he said about Moss and Freeman was true. As currently written, it could be inferred that the new suit refers to his older remarks. Ejgertz (talk) 01:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Defamation verdict and bankruptcy filing[edit]
I think the $148 million defamation verdict against him, and his filing for bankruptcy six days later, should be in the opening section. Those are very significant life events. Krakatoa (talk) 10:24, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Media section addition[edit]
Rudy appeared (and had speaking lines) in the film Anger Management with Adam Sandler, where he played himself. 2601:8C0:380:35C0:6197:EE2B:5733:65A4 (talk) 18:30, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- And who can forget his scene in Borat Subsequent Moviefilm -- a classic (where he also played himself)... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:09, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Text removed when trimming lede[edit]
- In an effort to reform the police department's administration and policing practices, they applied the broken windows theory.[1] Accordingly, Giuliani removed panhandlers and sex clubs from Times Square.[2] As crime rates fell steeply, well ahead of the national average pace, Giuliani was widely credited, though later critics cite other contributing factors.[3]
- This goes far too in the weeds about his/Bratton's crime policy for the lede. A sentence or two saying civic cleanup and crime policies will suffice
- The theory states that social disorder, like disrepair and vandalism, attracts loitering addicts, panhandlers, prostitutes, and criminals.[4]
- It is not necessary to explain broken windows theory in the lede; a link to the article on broken windows theory will suffice
- Giuliani was arrested on August 23, 2023, and a mugshot was released.[5][6][7]
- It is not necessary to mention this in the lede; it would logically be inferred that, if indicted, he would be arrested, and, if arrested, he'd have a mugshot taken.
- In addition, he has often been engaged for public speaking, political commentary, and Republican campaign support.[3]
- It is quite common for this to be true of any politician of Rudy's stature and therefore need not be mentioned in the lede.
- As a consequence, his license to practice law was suspended in New York State in June 2021,[8] and in the District of Columbia in July 2021.[9][10]
- Too specific for the lede
- In late 2019, Giuliani was reportedly under federal investigation for violating lobbying laws,[11]as a central figure in the Trump–Ukraine scandal,[12] which resulted in Trump's first impeachment.[13]
- Out-of-date; language shortened to read simply "was a central figure in the Trump-Ukraine scandal.
- as well as his promotion of conspiracy theories, most notably about the 2018 and 2020 elections.[14][15]
- Redundant to sentences that outline his comments about the 2020 election
pbp 20:43, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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- ^ a b Robertiello, Gina M. (2012). "Giuliani, Rudolph". In Miller, Wilbur R. (ed.). The Social History of Crime and Punishment in America: An Encyclopedia. Thousand Oaks CA, New Delhi, London: SAGE Publications. pp. 698–699. ISBN 9781412988780. Archived from the original on November 7, 2023. Retrieved June 17, 2015.
- ^ Donner, Christopher M. (2012). "Crime prevention". In Miller, Wilbur R. (ed.). The Social History of Crime and Punishment in America: An Encyclopedia. Thousand Oaks CA, New Delhi, London: SAGE Publications. pp. 390–395. ISBN 9781412988780. Archived from the original on November 7, 2023. Retrieved July 8, 2020.
- ^ Chamlee, Virginia (August 23, 2023). "Rudy Giuliani's Mug Shot Released in Georgia Election Meddling Case". People. Archived from the original on August 23, 2023. Retrieved August 23, 2023.
- ^ Chao-Fong, Léonie; Yang, Maya; Pengelly, Martin (August 23, 2023). "Rudy Giuliani mugshot released after he surrenders in Trump Georgia case". The Guardian. Archived from the original on August 23, 2023. Retrieved August 23, 2023.
- ^ Yilek, Caitlin (August 23, 2023). "See Rudy Giuliani's mugshot after the embattled Trump ally turned himself in at Fulton County Jail". CBS News. Archived from the original on August 23, 2023. Retrieved August 23, 2023.
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- ^ Christina, Wilkie; Mangan, Dan (July 7, 2021). "Rudy Giuliani's DC law license is suspended". CNBC. Archived from the original on November 14, 2022. Retrieved November 14, 2022.
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