Talk:George Foreman

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"For this purpose his public persona was reinvented and the formerly aloof, ominous Foreman had been replaced by a smiling, friendly George."[edit]

There's no citation of this manufactured reinvention in the article. Anyone have proof that Foreman's public persona "was changed" for the purposes of advertising products and self-promotion? I had already read that it was a genuine change predating his comeback. Cactusframe (talk) 20:55, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rumble In The Jungle[edit]

The opinions reported by George Foreman about The Rumble In The Jungle are severely outdated and, consequently, configure a misrepresentation, or a partial (and arguably slanted) representation at best, of George Foreman's eventual settlement on this issue. A mention of the current opinions of George Foreman about The Rumble In The Jungle ought to be considered for inlcusion as soon as possibile if we want to keep this page not only up to date but also consistent with the current opinions of Foreman about it, rather than relying on the old ones that Foreman himself does not entertain any longer. Consequently, I propose the following adjunct to the Rumble In The Jungle section to be appended as soon as possibile if we want a comprehensive, up to date, and objective delineation of his true feelings:

  • However over years George Foreman dramatically and thoroughly revised his opinons on Muhammad Ali and his bout with him, declaring "We fought in 1974, that was a long time ago. After 1981 we became the best of friends. By 1984, we loved each other. I am not closer to anyone else in this life than I am to Muhammad Ali." [1] stating that "Then, in 1981, a reporter came to my ranch and asked me: 'What happened in Africa, George?' I had to look him in the eye and say, “I lost. He beat me.” Before that I had nothing but revenge and hate on my mind, but from then on it was clear. I’ll never be able to win that match, so I had to let it go." [2] and eventually endorsing the conclusion about Muhammad Ali that "He's the greatest man I've ever known. Not greatest boxer that's too small for him. He had a gift. He's not pretty he's beautiful. Everything America should be, Muhammad Ali is." [3]

Also, about the line "Ali also constantly pushed down on Foreman's neck, but was never warned about doing so", this is totally misleading. The term "constantly" means "Without variation or change, in every case; without interruption" and anything akin to that. This simply did not happen, the episodes are 5 in the whole match (and are actually a kind of clinch that does occurs in boxing), and this is exactly why Ali "was never warned about doing so". The absence of warnings is not a consequence of malice incompetence or negligence, as the passage inevitably seems (and arguably means) to suggest, but a simple consequence of the fact the warning was not necessary given the totally anecdotical nature of that clinches. Therefore using "constantly" in that context means either spreading false notions or employing an adverb ignoring the true (and sweeping) scope of its semantic payload. I suggest either the removal of the line or replacing the adverb "constantly" with he much more grammatically and factually pertinent "frequently".

Bankruptcy?[edit]

I keep reading of how he filed for bankruptcy protection (in 1983?), but there's no reference to it here. Myth? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.95.217 (talk) 10:59, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

George Foreman grill section[edit]

The George Foreman grill section reads like pure PR. Ashmoo (talk) 12:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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A useful resource to cite[edit]

On Google Books these are several books covering George Foreman by some extent. I just found this.[4] There are about 8 pages about his personal life, career and more. I'll leave this here if anyone is interested in expanding or improving the article. Robertgombos (talk) 05:10, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

  1. ^ "George Foreman: I didn't want to be 'the champion', I wanted to be 'the 'man who beat Muhammad Ali'". The Telegraph, telegraph.co.uk. 2012-01-14. Retrieved 2014-05-07.
  2. ^ "George Foreman On Ali". Shortlist.com. Retrieved 2014-05-07.
  3. ^ "An Interview with George Foreman". Counterpunch.org. 2003-09-07. Retrieved 2014-05-07.
  4. ^ Paul J. Christopher; Alicia Marie Smith (August 2006). Greatest Sports Heroes of All Times: North American Edition. Encouragement Press, LLC. pp. 75–81. ISBN 978-1-933766-09-6.

Spokesman[edit]

Why no mention of InventHelp ?

Just curious. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 09:57, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

World heavyweight title[edit]

His last fight was billed for the heavyweight title. These things are important to list in the notes.CaPslOcksBroKEn (talk) 03:46, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you believe the ring announcers, just about every fight on pay TV involves some kind of world championship. ;) Still, according to Wikipedia itself, Michael Moorer became the "lineal" heavyweight champion when he defeated Evander Holyfield. Therefore, George Foreman captured that title when he KO'd Moorer. Although he was legislatively stripped of the alphabet soup (WBA, IBF and so on) titles, he would continue to hold the lineal version of the title until he was retired, inactive or (preferably) defeated in the ring. His fight with Shannon Briggs was thus a defense of the lineal title, an unsuccessful one. To acknowledge this, the table of Foreman's fights would have to be revised to include the lineal designation from the fights against Moorer through Briggs. WHPratt (talk) 04:29, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@WHPratt: We don't list lineal titles in record tables or succession boxes per MOS:BOXING/WEIGHT. – 2.O.Boxing 12:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's reasonable. WHPratt (talk) 20:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2023[edit]

Please remove this section: 

before becoming the reverend at the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ[35] in Houston[36]

and add this in its place: 

before becoming the minister of the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ in Houston[35]

"reverend" is an adjective but not a specific position or job title, roughly like "his holiness". Conversely, "minister" is his role, as mentioned in the article's introduction. Also, citation #35 mentions that it's in Houston, so citation #36 is useless. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 00:30, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done —Sirdog (talk) 06:26, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2023[edit]

In the intro it could be more emphasized that George also was the undisputed champion from 73 till 74 and lineal champion in both title reigns. 77.251.174.193 (talk) 00:15, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 00:44, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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