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Upcoming country album[edit]

I lost the source, but recently she was in a few news articles mentioning an upcoming country album. If I haven't relocated this information and added it already, could someone else be so kind as to? Thanks. Granny Bebeb (talk) 04:02, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"American expatriates in the United Kingdom"?[edit]

Is there a source for this category? Last I heard, she was living in Nashville. This could be considered contentious material, if there is no proper source for it. Granny Bebeb (talk) 23:52, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discography for tracks on other compilations?[edit]

What would be the best way to list tracks of hers that were exclusive to compilations - such as her 3 songs from the Jetsons movie soundtrack, or tribute album contributions such as her cover of Morning Musume's Sexy Lady, or the U2 - New Year's Day cover with Front Line Assembly? There were quite a few others as well - many of which would probably be considered notable releases. Granny Bebeb (talk) 02:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

She had some non-album B-sides on her singles too, back in the old days when singles had B-sides (as opposed to iTunes downloads, which truly are single!). *Dan T.* (talk) 03:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, definitely. Someone familiar with making the Wikipedia tables for discographies, please add these!Granny Bebeb (talk) 23:52, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing[edit]

This article could use a lot more sourcing + tone cleanup...also, there doesn't seem to be any mention of her first single, "Danny". It failed to chart, but should still be notable, at least compared to some of the unsourced facts listed. Granny Bebeb (talk) 00:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mall[edit]

I'm British and not entirely familiar with mall culture, but surely she can't possibly have played *every* mall in the USA? Bonalaw 09:46, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

She went on a mall tour, but no, she surely did not play every mall. Mike H 17:59, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

This article could probably use some expansion concerning "The Beautiful You: Celebrating The Good Life Shopping Mall Tour '87," as the mall tour was officially titled. - B.C.Schmerker 03:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Birthplace[edit]

Does anybody have proof that she was born in Oklahoma? This appears to be a matter of debate among fans, as there doesn't seem to have been a conclusive statement of her birthplace anywhere; it's variously given as Oklahoma or California in different biographical sketches. Similarly, the spelling of her last name has been given as "Darwish" and "Darwisch" in different sources. Tiffany herself doesn't seem to have shown much interest in insisting that reporters get these facts straight. Dtobias 17:12, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Her name is probably transliterated (from dervish).--Adoniscik 23:22, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hand Moves[edit]

Is this the singer that "danced" with her hands? Like doing dance moves which mainly involved her hand positions?

Yes TheMan232 02:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Middle Eastern Blood[edit]

Hi, I've seen and heard a lot about Tiffany's middle eastern blood lines. Obviously she's got middle eastern blood with the surname Darwish but is she part Lebanese or Syrian or both? And if so, aside from the rather obvious clue in the name, where is the proof to what's stated in this article? I'm sure many of Tiffany's middle eastern fans would love to know!

I am not sure which type of blood that you are referring to when you speak of the middle-east. Is it that Asian, African or mixed (arab) blood? From the boi, it appears as if her father was half something or they say 'part,' but that does not make her an arab. Just like Doug Flutie said that he does not recognize any arabness in him just because a family member is Lebanese. Arab and middle-eastern is not a race. If anything, it means that you are more likely than not to have some African blood in you!--71.235.94.254 04:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Other musical Tiffanys[edit]

Is this 'Other musical Tiffanys' section necessary at all? Considering that most of that section has anything to do with THIS Tiffany herself, that kind of stuff belongs in the disambiguation pages. Chad427 (talk) 03:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're probably right, even though I was the one who added that section in the first place a long time ago. *Dan T.* (talk) 03:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And why isn't the most famous of them all -- Korean megastar Tiffany (aka Stephanie Chang?) -- included?!

66.3.106.1 (talk) 10:59, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Documentary: I Think We're Alone Now[edit]

Does anyone else think it would be good to mention the documentary "I Think We're Alone Now"? Its focus is on two of Tiffany's stalkers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkdeadite (talk • contribs) 14:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just saw this (creepy) documentary too, and was hoping to find more information. I don't think it's quite notable enough for its own article, but perhaps a sentence or two here would be appropriate(?). Hoof Hearted (talk) 15:58, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I also saw it. I think it should be included in the article. But where? Legacy section? Film appearances? Thoughts? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:35, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the documentary in a Legacy section, seems appropriate. Jonpatterns (talk) 10:18, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

correction to Playboy issue date[edit]

I'm going to change the date of Tiffany's appearance in Playboy. It was in April 2002, not 2009. Elsquared (talk) 02:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FILM[edit]

i saw a horror film the other day with tiffany in it cant remember the name now but it was about friends staying at a log cabin in the snow —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.57.13 (talk) 08:41, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Necrosis was already in the Acting career section of the article at the time of your comment. Hoof Hearted (talk) 21:41, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Chart Positions[edit]

Why no Australian chart positions? ITWAN reached #13 and 'Could've Been' and 'I Saw Him Standing There' both went top 10... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.228.10 (talk) 04:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2014[edit]

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 05:49, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tiffany (American singer) → Tiffany Darwish – I checked Bing News, Google News, and Google Books. Her surname, Darwish, has been "fairly often used". Searching "tiffany singer" in these pages isn't very easy. Per WP:NCP, this singer should be disambiguated naturally, especially per WP:NATURAL. For Bing News, 30 results for "Tiffany Darwish"; Tiffany-singer has 33 results, but five articles refer to this person. I'm unsure about Google Books because of too many results, but I found out her surname is alternatively spelled Darwisch. George Ho (talk) 09:40, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I'm seeing from Google News [1] articles such as [2] which states "that's her last name" and [3] "Tiffany, of course, has a last name." and [4] "You may remember Tiffany Darwish, the famous 80's singer, now better known simply as Tiffany" and [5] "Tiffany Renee Darwish, better-known as Tiffany" seems to indicate that her last name isn't very well known -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 22:43, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Why take journalists' wordings seriously? "better known" doesn't make her last name lesser known within and outside North America. --George Ho (talk) 23:57, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For easy search, Tiffany singer teen pop (it has 108 search results actually, not 40,000+) and tiffany darwish. --George Ho (talk) 00:06, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You've stated it yourself, it's very hard to search using just "Tiffany", since you'd need a variety of search terms added to it. So, I stand by the statement made above, which newspaper writers also say. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 05:27, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry George. You often make good suggestions but, on this one, I think You're alone now. The name Darwish only appears three times in the article. gregkaye ✍♪ 16:41, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move 7 June 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Moved. Several people made good arguments, and there is no name that is free of disadvantages. The move was favored by a majority of editors. EdJohnston (talk) 17:52, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Tiffany (American singer) → Tiffany Darwish – Tiffany Darwish is not the only American singer using the name "Tiffany". Tiffany, a member of South Korean girl group Girls' Generation, is also an American because she was born in the U.S. (however she is now based in South Korea thus everyone often misleads that she is a South Korean. Simon (talk) 08:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Support per nom and WP:NATURAL disambiguation. "Darwish" is her family name. Khestwol (talk) 09:15, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. There is more than one American singer known as Tiffany, and Tiffany Darwish is a natural disambiguation. Random86 (talk) 09:21, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose prefer Tiffany (singer born 1971) instead, since her surname isn't widely known, and she's widely known as just "Tiffany" -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 18:41, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The present title "Tiffany (American singer)", though, is highly ambiguous, while "Tiffany (singer born 1971)" is not WP:CONCISE and has no WP:CONSISTENCY with the pattern of similar articles' titles. In Google Books search, "Tiffany Darwish" gets about 134 results and it gets about 56,000 results in Google search. So "Tiffany Darwish" has at least some common usage, and provides a WP:NATURAL disambiguation while keeping conciseness. Her birthname is also "Tiffany Darwish". Khestwol (talk) 18:49, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
WP:UCN the common name is just "Tiffany" so it becomes Tiffany (singer born 1971) -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 05:54, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Her birth year can be hardly remembered, so "Tiffany (singer born 1971)" as an article title will not be easily searchable for users. Also, Category:21st-century American singers does not have article titles with birth years as disambiguators so "Tiffany (singer born 1971)" also fails as per WP:CONSISTENCY. Khestwol (talk) 09:54, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It certainly does not fail CONSISTENCY, since it is consistent with biography disambiguation guidelines. And it follows UCN, since it clearly identifies this as a singer called "Tiffany" which using her widely unrecognized surname does not, since she isn't widely known that way. -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 04:44, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As I stated above, Tiffany Darwish is not the only American singer named "Tiffany". Simon (talk) 02:32, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly oppose any move to include the last name, as it is the overwhelmingly uncommon name for the subject, both in a general and professional context. No preference among parenthetical disambiguation options.--Yaksar (let's chat) 03:19, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Yaksar: As I stated above, this "Tiffany" is not the only American singer. See Tiffany (South Korean singer), she is an American singer too but based in South Korea, thus everyone is misleading that she is Korean. Simon (talk) 04:57, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: As per WP:NCP, "Similarly, don't use a first name (even if unambiguous) for an article title if the last name is known and fairly often used. For example, Oprah Winfrey is the article title, and Oprah redirects there. Only if the single name is used as a true artist's name (stage name, pseudonym, etc.) can the recommendations of Nicknames, pen names, stage names, cognomens below be followed.". Tibbydibby (talk) 19:30, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • NCP recommends not using the surname, since it is not fairly often used and not very well known. -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 04:39, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, the thing is, Tiffany (this American singer) has the same type of notability for her first name AND last name as Oprah Winfrey. She is another case of Oprah in a sense with the naming convention. Oprah doesn't use her last name often, but people still recognize her last name as Winfrey. Same with Darwish. Tibbydibby (talk) 23:50, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, she doesn't, she is not known by her surname, and her surname is not widely known, unlike Oprah, whose suranme is widely known, Tiffany's is hardly known at all. -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 05:00, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • She is sometimes known by her surname, sir. Simon (talk) 06:39, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per the last move request, she is rarely known by her surname. It is not common nor widely recognizable. -- 70.51.203.69 (talk) 04:38, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I was the one proposing this a while back. In the light of the American-born Korean singer, perhaps a title that is shorter to type would be more delightful than a title with parenthetical phrase. George Ho (talk) 10:21, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Can she not just be Tiffany? Unreal7 (talk) 17:19, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Post close comment: the views of regarding presenting the other Tiffany as being an American singer may not have complete relevance. The title of the Korean language page of that singer translates to : Tiffany (singer of the Republic of Korea). GregKaye 13:14, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tiffany Darwish discography[edit]

Support split - Discography section takes up more than one third of the page, and should be split to a new article entitled Tiffany Darwish discography. --Jax 0677 (talk) 06:05, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Tiffany Darwish/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Assessed as B-class, but is a good article. Would encourage the editors to bring this up to Wikipedia:Good Article or Wikipedia:Featured Article standards. Carcharoth 08:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Substituted at 05:18, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

source for $40K from "passing the hat."[edit]

"She passed a hat amongst the crowd afterwards, and collected $40,000 in what would be her first career earnings." If there was ever something which needs a source, this is it, WikiAlto (talk) 08:49, 12 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiAlto: Thanks, someone vandalised the article, and it seems no one noticed, until an IP did a partial revert, leaving this crazy number in there. corrected, and added citation needed, since that still seems like it would warrant a citation. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:55, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tiffany Darwish Lebanese origins[edit]

Tiffany Darwish is the daughter of James (Jamie) Darwish (1934-1995) and Jane Christine Wilson (1946-). They married in Los Angeles, California in 1970-1971 and divorced around the same time when Tiffany was born in 1971.

Tiffany Darwish's birth certificate- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VG6J-G6T

Divorce certificate of Tiffany's parents https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPRT-7PX https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPRT-7PD

Tiffany's father James (Jamie) Darwish was born in Tebnine, Lebanon in 1934 according to his the Naturalization Act of 1940 of his parents Allie Darwish and Annie Osmon https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDB-TXLF?cc=2546149&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AC9ZZ-Z93Z

James Darwish Grave Memorial https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167417554

Her paternal grandfather Allie Darwish was born in Tebnine, Lebanon in 1909 and her paternal grandmother Annie Osmon was born in 1914-1915 in Highland Park, Michigan according to the act above. They were married in Tebnine, Lebanon in 1934 where James (Jamie) was born.

Annie Osmon was the daughter of Joe Osmon and Jennie Osmon both also from Tebnine, Lebanon. Joe Osmon/Ossman Draft Registration where it says he was from Tebnine, Lebanon https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K6XZ-MB5 Annie Osmon in the 1920 US Census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ7P-6GWChris O' Hare (talk) 18:46, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tiffany then Tiffany[edit]

I think that the first sentence of the article should be worded differently. People are reading “Tiffany” followed by “Tiffany” which is quite badly worded. I propose that her full name should be first and then “also known simply as Tiffany” or “known simply as Tiffany” or anything to that effect. I’m not disputing that she’s known simply as Tiffany, but to read Tiffany followed by Tiffany again is a bit silly.

@NJZombie: the article about Cher is not the same because the article states “Cher” then “Cherilyn”, not “Cher” and then “Cher”.--EsotericJoe (talk) 12:48, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Both articles start with the professional name they're most known by, followed by birth name. This doesn't change because you think this particular example sounds silly. NJZombie (talk) 16:52, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Awards and nominations[edit]

Is there any awards and nominations received by Tiffany? 222.127.184.57 (talk) 13:37, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Surname or mononym?[edit]

@FriendlyFerret9854, there has been considerable earlier discussion here about page moves, but not specifically about how to refer to Tiffany in the article. Our guidance at WP:SURNAME seems to indicate that since she is professionally known, and documented widely in WP:RS, as "Tiffany" we should refer to her mononymously as "Tiffany" throughout the article. Elizium23 (talk) 03:01, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"After the initial mention, a person should generally be referred to by surname only"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biography
If Darwish were truly a mononymous person then there would be no need for 'Darwish' to be included in the title of the article. Thus, we should use 'Darwish' when referring to her throughout the article. FriendlyFerret9854 (talk) 21:04, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Then why is the article not "Tiffany (born 1971)"? People know her surname so it's nothing new. According to the manual of style her surname should be used.--FriendlyFerret9854 (talk) 22:12, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, according the the Manual of Style, she should be referred to by her mononym, "If they use their mononym or pseudonym exclusively, then use that name (e.g. Aaliyah, Selena, and Usher).” Tiffany is the name she’s always used on albums, tours, etc., so that’s how’s she referred to on Wikipedia. It has nothing to do with if people know her surname or not or whether news articles acknowledge her surname. She uses her mononym exclusively. We all know Madonna’s surname but we don’t use it to refer to her. The Manual of Style section you’re quoting has to do with someone who uses their whole name regularly. It saying, for example, if their surname was Smith, not call them Mr. or Mrs. Smith throughout the article, but to simply use Smith. As explained above, she exclusively uses her first name as a mononym anyway. As far as to why to article title includes her surname, it’s because a discussion was held in one of the sections above in which consensus was reached to change the article from Tiffany (American singer) to Tiffany Darwish only to avoid confusion with another American singer who also uses Tiffany as a mononym. Tiffany (singer born 1971) was suggested as well but was shot down. I've never agreed with the change myself but alas, consensus was reached and that's what the article is currently known as. NJZombie (talk) 23:34, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The reason on Madonna Ciccone’s article we don’t use “Ciccone” to refer to her throughout the article is because the title of the article is simply “Madonna”. That’s the same for the Aaliyah, Selena and Usher articles. Since Tiffany’s surname is included in the title of the article then it should be used and not her first name. If Darwish’s mononym were used exclusively then it would be the title of the article about her, but it is not. If it is the case then the title of the page should be reconsidered because Tiffany Young is the title of the other American singer who is known sometimes as Tiffany, so there will be no confusion between the two singers. But, Tiffany Darwish is quite often referred to as just “Tiffany” but she’s not exclusively known as that and if you search her name on Google news you will see that some people still refer to her by her full name.--FriendlyFerret9854 (talk) 00:14, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, the reason we don’t use Ciccone in the Madonna article is because that’s not what she exclusively goes by, just like Tiffany never uses her own last name. There are no Tiffany albums where she uses her own name, save for possibly writing credits which are a legal requirement. There are no tours, posters, t-shirts, music videos, etc. that refer to her that way. The fact that newspaper reporters or magazine writers use her last name when speaking about her has little to no bearing on the subject. It’s how she, as a public figure, presents herself and her stage name, not the fact that others mention her surname.
The article used to be named Tiffany, as I’ve already stated, a 2015 discussion (that you can read several conversations above this one) decided to change that for disambiguation purposes whether you or I agree with it or not. No agreement could be made regarding how to disambiguate her from the other American singer who at one point was also using Tiffany as a mononym. Regardless of her last name being in the article title as a result of that discussion, the body of the article does NOT need to reflect that if it’s not the primary name she uses. There's no rule that requires her last name to start being used to refer to her throughout the article simply because someone decided to change the article's title. However, as a Wikipedia editor, you’re more than welcome to bring up yet another discussion about changing the name back to simply Tiffany or some version of it. I'd actually be one of the people to show strong support for such a move, but there’s no guarantee that you will achieve consensus to do so. NJZombie (talk) 00:51, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@NJZombie: Well said, agree completely. - FlightTime (open channel) 02:42, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If there’s no evidence of Darwish actually using her surname in her career then there’s absolutely no reason for it to be used. There is no confusion with Tiffany Young. And even if there were then we could quite easily use “Tiffany (born 1971)” to refer to Darwish and “Tiffany (born 1989)” to refer to Young, but there’s actually no reason to because Young actually uses her surname too. I wish for a review about the the title of this thread and argue that it should just be “Tiffany” since Young uses her surname and that’s part of the name of the article about her. How do I go about doing it?--FriendlyFerret9854 (talk) 19:55, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@NJZombie: How do I bring up another discussion about the name of this article and a discussion about changing it? Thanks.--FriendlyFerret9854 (talk) 15:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Refer to WP:DISCUSSCONSENSUS and maybe WP:RQM. NJZombie (talk) 16:58, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 July 2022[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. There is rough consensus that Tiffany Young is another American singer known mononymously as Tiffany. While their full names may not be their common names, discussion has generated consensus that the guideline for preferring natural disambiguation prevails in this case. (non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 02:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tiffany Darwish → TiffanyTiffany (American singer) – Why is Tiffany Darwish's surname being used as part of this article's name? She's not generally speaking known by her full name, she has never been known by her full name on any music videos or any merchandise like posters, t-shirts, tours, etc. There's no confusion between her and Tiffany Young with the latter going by and being known by her full name. Even if there were two people sharing the same mononym that's still not a good enough reason to include the surnames of both of them when one of them has never really been known by her surname and a simple (born 1971) for Tiffany Darwish and (born 1989) for Tiffany Young would solve it anyway. We all know that Madonna's full name is Madonna Ciccone, but her surname isn't used in the article's name about her because she's never gone by her surname, the same goes for Tiffany. FriendlyFerret9854 (talk) 20:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - per WP:MONONYM, because her "last name is known and fairly often used". There is no way this topic is primary over Tiffany (given name) nor other topics listed on the disambiguation page. The only other option would be to move back to Tiffany (American singer), reversing the prior move discussion at #Requested move 7 June 2015, which I don't think is better. -- Netoholic @ 22:17, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The rest of that sentence in WP:MONONYM however states, "Only if the single name is used as a true artist's name (stage name, pseudonym, etc.) can the recommendations of Nicknames, pen names, stage names, cognomens below be followed." In the case of Tiffany, her first name is her stage name which she uses exclusively. If someone chooses to write an article about her, using her surname, that's not her using it. Madonna's last name of Ciccone is FAR more known and used than Darwish is for Tiffany but as mentioned above, that's not how she's referred to here. NJZombie (talk) 22:52, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - While I don't agree with simply Tiffany being the new article title, there has to be some term that can be thrown in the parentheses to disambiguate. (80's singer) perhaps as that's the era she's best know in. As far as reasoning, as mentioned above, Tiffany is her stage name and despite her last name being public knowledge and used by journalists, she does not use her last name as a performer. Darwish is by far not a name the general public know her by or would search for. NJZombie (talk) 22:57, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Tiffany (American singer) which already directs here, per common name. '80s singer wouldn't do since she's worked in the music and film industry ever since. The hatnote already refers to Tiffany Young. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support move to Tiffany (American singer) per the above. BD2412 T 00:27, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Tiffany (American singer), definitely not PRIMARY for the name Tiffany.--Ortizesp (talk) 01:58, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Why not Tiffany (singer)? The only other singer mononymously known as Tiffany that I can see is Tiffany Young, who is also American. 162 etc. (talk) 05:25, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Both Tiffany (American singer) and Tiffany (singer) are problematic due to Tiffany Young. This was all brought up in the 2015 move decision, and is why leaving this article at Tiffany Darwish is the least bad option out of many. -- Netoholic @ 09:33, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Netoholic: Tiffany (American singer) alresdy redirects to the article. Tiffany Young uses her surname professionally, but Tiffany Darwish does not so there’s no reason to mention to make it part of the article’s title.--FriendlyFerret9854 (talk) 10:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that “Tiffany (American singer)” is much better than just “Tiffany” - the former redirects to the article anyway. It doesn’t matter if journalists and other people use her surname sometimes, most of the time they do not; she sold records using just her first name and the merchandise about her is just her first name too. We all know Madonna’s surname is Ciccone but she’s always just presented herself with her first name and sold records like that too. The idea that “Darwish” should be included in the title of the article because of another person named Tiffany is balderdash. Tiffany Young is widely known by her surname, Tiffany Darwish is nowhere near as much. There’s nothing problematic about it at all.--FriendlyFerret9854 (talk) 10:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is there even any other non-American singer that frequently goes by the mononym "Tiffany"? If not, then (American singer) should be eliminated from consideration outright, replaced by Tiffany (singer) instead, for WP:CONCISE reasons. -- Netoholic @ 13:24, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tiffany (American singer) would be an appropriate move target for this article; just Tiffany is not, as it has far, far too many other meanings (jewellery, a car company, etc.) to award Ms. Darwish WP:PRIMARYTOPIC rights for the plain name. No comment on whether "Tiffany (American singer)" should be preferred over "Tiffany Darwish" or not — the considerations that were brought up when it was moved the other way several years ago are still applicable — but definite oppose on just plain undisambiguated "Tiffany". Bearcat (talk) 16:11, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – This singer definitely isn't the primary topic for the bare title "Tiffany". "Tiffany Darwish" is also preferable to "Tiffany (American singer)" along the WP:CRITERIA – it's more concise, uses natural disambiguation over parenthetical, and guarantees no ambiguity with Tiffany Young. I am sympathetic to the idea that "Tiffany (American singer)" is a less WP:ASTONISHing title, but I think it would be better for it to remain a redirect instead. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Not the primary topic for "Tiffany" (that's likely Tiffany & Co.). I have no opinion on the alternatives being proposed above. -- Vaulter 18:26, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Current title is naturally disambiguated. BilledMammal (talk) 03:23, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose she's long out of the spotlight, so it just keeps getting less likely she is the primary topic. If anything, it would be Tiffany & Co. -- but this should keep being a disambiguation page -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 05:50, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I should have made it more clearer from the beginning, I am suggesting the article be moved to "Tiffany (American singer)" and not just "Tiffany".--FriendlyFerret9854 (talk) 20:28, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Reading back through the previous move requests, Tiffany Young is also an American singer usually known as "Tiffany", and the two articles get similar numbers of pageviews. I am not sure why the PDAB title redirects to this article. It looks like a dab was created at one point but when the DPL tag was added, the editor decided it would be too much trouble to fix the links. Dekimasuよ! 03:01, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • No primary topic per views[[6]] but this no longer appears to be the proposal. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:50, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:13, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per the ambiguity with Tiffany Young, no objection to a more precise disambiguator though. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:05, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per wp:concise. Khestwol (talk) 20:06, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I was half-tempted to close this discussion to "no consensus" since at some point, the proposed move location was changed in the opening text here on 23 July 2022, but not in the transclusion of {{requested move/dated}}, leaving it somewhat unclear who is referring to what. Maybe another potential closer who has the patience to determine what comments refer to which proposal (based on the diff's timestamp) can ascertain what is going on, but even then, there's a chance that editors may have put a comment in this discussion based on the original move proposal since that is the proposal that displays at WP:RM since the "old" proposal is what is currently in the transclusion of {{requested move/dated}}. Steel1943 (talk) 07:33, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 12 August 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. No such user (talk) 09:28, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tiffany Darwish → Tiffany (American singer) – I did not make this clear last time. I do not believe that there’s any need for “Darwish” to be included in the name of the article so I propose changing the article to “Tiffany (American singer)”.FriendlyFerret9854 (talk) 17:59, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • This was clear in the previous discussion. The closer found rough consensus that "Tiffany (American singer)" is too ambiguous to be used for the article title here. I suggest withdrawing this request. It simply restates points that were covered at length in the last discussion, closed only two weeks ago. Dekimasuよ! 16:17, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy close per above there was a consensus against this proposal as well. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:52, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, I initially only used "Tiffany" rather than "Tiffany (American singer)" and there was quite a bit of support for a move to the latter. I changed it a bit too late, so I would rather people decide on "Tiffany (American singer)". There's no reason to include her surname when she is never referred to as such and is referred to by her first name throughout the article.--FriendlyFerret9854 (talk) 20:58, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy close - we've exhausted this too much too recently. -- Netoholic @ 12:59, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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