Talk:One Fierce Beer Coaster

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk) 01:23, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Disambiguations: one found and fixed.[1] Jezhotwells (talk) 01:26, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Linkrot: none found. Jezhotwells (talk) 01:27, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   When the tour ended, band members Skip O'Pot2Mus and Tard-E-Tard left... When did Skip O'Pot2Mus join? Not mentioned previously.

   Having stabilized their lineup, the group began working on their newest album. Is this "newest album" the subject of the article. If so, please say so.

   Originally, the Republic Records version of the album contained a sample from the Men At Work single "Down Under" in the song "Shut Up" and a scratchy recording introducing the album at the beginning of "Kiss Me Where It Smells Funny".[ So what happened to this track?

   The album also includes the Run DMC cover "It's Tricky," Better would be "includes a cover of Run DMC's It's Tricky."

   The original release of the album included a tchotchke beer coaster as a compliment to the album's title, "complement", surely?

   "Fire Water Burn" played a major role in the slow build of interest that ultimately led to the band's mainstream breakthrough.[12] As the band could not previously afford national tours they promoted themselves by sending their music to radio stations across the country that fit the alternative rock format. One significant early radio breakthrough came when an intern at 107.7 The End in Seattle brought the band to the attention of the music director who, liking what he heard, played "Fire Water Burn" on his Friday night show. The feature prompted a flood of phone calls asking about the song and the band. The director passed the song onto his friend, the music director at KROQ-FM in Los Angeles, who then added it to her playlist. The snowball effect meant the band were overwhelmed with demands for their records that they struggled to meet. Record labels then started to call. According to manager Brett Alperowitz in an interview with HitQuarters, Madonna's label Maverick "really wanted to sign the band in the worst possible way, even to the point where I had to tell Madonna that I couldn’t put her on the phone with Jimmy Pop." Poorly written section.

   It is just about passable now. I made some further copy-edits. Please make sure that the prose is good on any further articles that you nominate. Writing "reasonably good rpose" is not an easy skill to master so try to find someone who can do it, to team up with. GA review is not a place to start fixing prose.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   What makes {http://thecelebritycafe.com/interviews/bloodhound.html} a WP:RS? Likewise {http://www.swapacd.com/Bloodhound-Gang-One-Fierce-Beer/cd/243966/}

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Nothing about production in this article.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Images captioned and tagged, sound sample meets the criteria.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   On hold for seven days for issues to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 01:53, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

   I jusge the article just meest the criterai now, so am happy to list it. Congratulations! Jezhotwells (talk) 12:10, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

OK, I fixed most of the prose issues. However, I'm curious as the why the interview page (celebritycafe.com) is considered not valid research. The site, although low key and not very notable on its own, has a reputation for interviews. The other site I can understand getting rid of, I need to find a better page, although the text is used by Amazon. Could I just link to the Amazon page for the review? Also, what do you mean by "Production"? Many of the other GA articles I've found don't have a production area if its not needed.--Gen. Quon (talk) 17:59, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

You need to demonstrate that this is a reliable source. Is it used as a source by other reliable sources; does it have stated editorial policy; is it known for fact checking?

The Background and development section is still very confusing with members leaving and joining, but not written in a coherent manner.

Still many badly written phrase: Because the band could not afford financial solvent national tours,; Having stabilized their lineup, the group began working on their newest album, eventually titled One Fierce Beer Coaster. Should be "new album". Suggest a thorough copy-edit.

The lead says the album was originally released on Cheese Factory Records, later on in the article it says Republic Records.

You ask about a production section. This would include details of sessions, dates, location, mixing sessions, dates locations. As to your comments about other GAs I can only say WP:OTHERSTUFF and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:04, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

As for the reliable aspect, the site has a staff of editors, here: [2]. It would appear that the site is just small, not unreliable. I've thoroughly combed the internet and I can't find a good replacement for that citation/interview. If you're not happy, I'll just have to remove the section.

I completely simplified the line-up changes to make everything read smoother. I already had this article copy-edited, so there's probably just a handful of jarring sentences that I'll try to check.

Lastly, according to the album's liner notes, everything was recorded at one studio and produced on a Mac. If I wrote about it, I could probably make a paragraph, but most likely not a section. Should I go for it? Or does it even really matter, since the production aspect of the album is not the main focus.--Gen. Quon (talk) 21:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the editorial staff of the celebrity cafe. You say that "although low key and not very notable on its own, has a reputation for interviews." Can you back that up?

Suggest a couple of lines in the Credits section: Studio name and location, mixed on Mac (what version) what software? Jezhotwells (talk) 11:47, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Here's an article that [3] that re-affirms that CelebrityCafe is reliable and renowned. This site, although completely unrelated to the Bloodhound Gang is owned by Tony Little and provides a link to an interview with Little on CelebrityCafe, which I would say proves the interviews are real. The Newsday page mentions that it's been around for about 15 years and is considered a "senior citizen in the online world". I'll get to work on the credits. Is it possible to lengthen the "On hold" status of this article to get a little more time?--Gen. Quon (talk) 00:17, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure thing - how about 1 April? Jezhotwells (talk) 08:28, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, I added some more about the production and tweaked a few last minutes things. How's it look?--Gen. Quon (talk) 02:41, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

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