Talk:Jacques-Louis David

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Did he paint two versions of the Death of Marat?

File:Death of Marat.jpg

The inscriptions on the wood block and on the piece of paper differ! AxelBoldt 18:42, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • This site says he and his assistants did five versions of Napoleon Crossing the Alps, so two versions of the Death of Marat would seem perfectly likely. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:59, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Citations?[edit]

User:JDooley added major biographical content to this article with no citations. I left a note on his/her talk page a week ago asking for sources; no response yet. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:40, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for editing down those citations. I know they were needed, but I didnt have time to format them properly.

--JDooley 2 July 2005 03:49 (UTC)


David dit paint one version of the Death of Marat. Two other versions were painted at least, one by Gioacchino Serangeli, an italian pupil of David, the other by Eustache Hyacinthe Langlois, or maybe François Gérarrd, french pupils of David at the time (1793). These copies are visible at the Museum of the castle of Versailles, and the Museum of Fine Arts of Dijon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by my user talk page (talk • contribs) 2 Dec 2005.

The Death of Marat was an important painting they used for propaganda and as a symbol of the french revolution, it was reproduced many times to be put in different places, such as the National Assembly and different museums.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by my user talk page (talk • contribs) 28 Apr 2006.

Good Article[edit]

In my opinion, this could easily pass as a Featured Article. —Rob (talk) 01:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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(b) the citation of its sources using inline citations is required (this criterion is disputed by editors on Physics and Mathematics pages who have proposed a subject-specific guideline on citation, as well as some other editors — see talk page).

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by LuciferMorgan (talk • contribs) 12 December 2006.

More complete references[edit]

Here after detailed rerences for any reader seriously interested by this painter :

  • Dowd, David. Pageant-Master of the Republic. Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, (1948), pg 8-12, 50, 102
  • Lindsay, Jack. Death of the Hero. London: Studio Books (1960)
  • Leymarie, Jean, French Painting, the 19th century, Cleveland (1962), pg 21-24.
  • Schnapper, Antoine, David témoin de son temps, Office du Livre, Fribourg, (1980)
  • Delécluze, E., Louis David, son école et son temps, Paris, (1855) re-edition Macula (1983)
  • Sahut, Marie-Catherine & Régis Michel, David, l'art et le politique éditions Gallimard-Découvertes et RMN Paris (1988)
  • Bordes, Philippe, David, éd. Hazan, Paris (1988)
  • Lévêque, Jean-Jacques, Jacques-Louis David édition Acr Paris (1989)
  • Thévoz, Michel, Le théâtre du crime. Essai sur la peinture de David, éd. de Minuit, Paris (1989)
  • Noël, Bernard, David, éd. Flammarion, Paris (1989)
  • David contre David, actes du colloque au Louvre du 6-10 décembre 1989, éd. R. Michel, Paris (1993)
  • Malvone, Laura, L'Évènement politique en peinture. A propos du Marat de David in Mélanges de l'Ecole française de Rome. Italie et Méditerranée 106, 1 (1994)
  • Chodorow, Stanley, et al. The Mainstream of Civilization. New York: The Harcourt Press (1994) pg. 594
  • Crow, Thomas, Emulation. Making artists for Revolutionary France, ed. Yale University Press, New Haven London (1995)
  • Monneret, Sophie Monneret, David et le néoclassicisme, ed. Terrail, Paris (1998)
  • Lajer-Burcharth, Ewa, Necklines. The art of Jacques-Louis David after the Terror, ed. Yale University Press, New Haven London (1999)
  • Lee, Simon, David, ed. Phaidon, London (1999)
  • Jacques-Louis David’s Marat, edited by William Vaughan & Helen Weston, Cambridge (2000)
  • Prat, Louis-Antoine & Pierre Rosenberg, Jacques-Louis David 1748-1825. Catalogue raisonné des dessins, 2 volumes, éd. Leonardo Arte, Milan (2002)- essential book to get the very essence of David's work : his drawings.
  • B. Peronnet, P. Rosenberg, Un album inédit de David in Revue de l'art, n°142 (2003-4), pp.45-83 (complete the previous reference)
  • I. Plesca, M. Vanden Berghe, Nouvelles perspectives sur la Mort de Marat : entre modèle jésuite et références mythologiques, Bruxelles (2004) / New Perspectives on David's Death of Marat, Brussels (2004)
  • The Death of Socrates, accessed 29 June 2005. New York Med.
  • Jacques-Louis David, on An Abridged History of Europe, accessed 29 June 2005
  • J.L. David on CGFA, accessed 29 June 2005
  • Sainte-Fare Garnot, N., Jacques-Louis David 1748-1825, Paris, Ed. Chaudun (2005)
  • Johnson, Dorothy,Jacques-Louis David. New Perspectives, Newark (2006)

How many wives did David actually have, and when?[edit]

It seems like the language could be much clearer throughout regarding David's wives. The paragraph describing The Intervention of the Sabine Women is a prime example: it mentions his wife, and then his ex-wife, and then he remarried "her". Names, or at least "1st wife" and "2nd wife", would be tremendously helpful, in my opinion, for the clarity of this part of the biography.

Mjiadzki 21:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The fact is that David, in the process of the Revolution, divorced from his wife, and then remarried her later on, this for political reasons. Thus, David got married twice, but only got one wife. A Richard Burton-Liz Taylor preview if you like... 28 augustus 2007 JLD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.65.141.203 (talk) 22:11, August 29, 2007 (UTC)


clarification is definatly nessesary in the article. whomever wrote the above should add that to the text.

Czar 01:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tennis Court Oath[edit]

First, I would propose the discussion about the painting "The Oath of the Tennis Court" be moved under the subheading of the French Revolution. David started this painting in 1791, well after the Revolution was underway.

As regards "The Oath of the Tennis Court," I would like to further discuss the political circumstances surrounding this painting. The current discussion mentions that the painting was commissioned by the Society of Friends of the Revolution. However, it does not discuss the pro-Revolutionary role that the revolutionaries hoped this painting would take.

Moreover, the current discussion of the painting does not address that the painting was never completed. I would like to further discuss the political circumstances that inhibited the completion of this painting. i.e., the message of the painting became too controversial as the Revolution progressed.

I would like to use some writings of Thomas Crow from "Patriotism and Virtue: From David to the Young Ingres."

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Degouges (talk) 16:49, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jules[edit]

Is he any relation to Jacques Louis Jules David (1829-1886)? Drutt (talk) 09:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistent mythology[edit]

This article states "The painting depicts Romulus's wife Hersilia — the daughter of Titus Tatius, leader of the Sabines ..." However, according to the page Titus Tatius "He had one daughter Tatia, who married Numa Pompilius (Romulus's successor) ..."

So which is it (or did one woman have two names and two husbands)? Maybe myths are allowed inconsistency but Wikipedia articles should not be contradictory. If the story is known to have several versions then an explanatory note appears warranted.

Incomplete lists of other pages stating that Tatia was the daughter of Titus Tatius and maried Romulus's successor:

Numa Pompilius

Or that Hersilia was the daughter of Titus Tatius and Romulus's wife:

Jacques-Louis David

The Rape of the Sabine Women

Cross posted to discussions of listed articles Shythylacine (talk) 10:49, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pupils[edit]

It would be extremely useful to have a list of David's pupils somewhere in this article. Albiart (talk) 20:34, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've created a category and listed it from the article. A list may be even better, but at least this is a start. Category:Pupils of Jacques-Louis David. Fram (talk) 12:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

That pronunciation guide is my own work. It was my first attempt, and still has issues. One being that I am not French, so I am unfamiliar with the pronunciation of French names. If anybody sees a way to improve on my work, please do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.184.141.122 (talk) 03:24, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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