Talk:Richard Hamilton (basketball)

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On 10 December 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Rip Hamilton. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Untitled[edit]

This article has no citation of any kind and many points that could be disputed. Someone needs to clean this up and cite some of the subjective statements.

I agree, this is horrifically far from even a reasonable level of credibility or standard of quality.

Mask[edit]

Doesn't he just wear it since it became his symbol? I don't believe he needs it anymore since he has fully recovered. Xe7al (talk) 04:05, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again, the mask[edit]

I don't have the information at hand to provide citations but among most who watch basketball it is common knowledge that he doesn't wear the mask to prevent further injury, rather he wears it as a superstition. Yes, at first it was because of repeated nose fractures, but now it is because he played so well with it and because it's part of his public image. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljn2024 (talk • contribs) 02:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The source cited in the section about the mask says:

"Having suffered a fractured nose in the 2003 - 2004 season, Hamilton suffered yet another in late February, which led to nasal reconstructive surgery. To have any hope of remaining on the active roster for the NBA playoffs, with protection from further injury, he had to wear a protective mask, which he still needs to play without fear of further damage to his nose. His nose has been said to lack cartilage due to all the damage it has received. Another blow to his nose might force him to quit playing."

Clearly, something was lost in translation when that source was used. And since the source is his official website, I doubt it's incorrect. I'm taking the liberty of altering the article to match the source. 24.252.244.186 (talk) 21:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How much does he get for his labour?[edit]

Well, that's what I wonder. Never seen him play tho' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.132.204 (talk) 01:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Hamilton is the best basketball in the universe. He took his basketball team in the connecticut to the NCAA championship and they won. Also lead his Detriot Pistons to a championship in the early 2000's.He is the best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.99.191.234 (talk) 19:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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Personal Life section being mostly an interview about Michael Jordan[edit]

I’m all about it long and in-depth Wikipedia articles, but does the personal life section here being mostly about Michael Jordan playing with Hamilton during his relatively short Washington tenure seem somewhat awkward? I concede it seems that Jordan certainly impacted Hamilton for the year they played together AND that Jordan is a very notable sports figure, but I’m not sure this quote and heavy.com interview are notable enough to be included on this page. For instance, Jordan was teammates with many players, as was Kobe, as well as Magic Johnson, as was Kareem, etc., that does not necessarily mean that players they impacted should have lengthy quotes in their own personal life sections in their Wikipedia pages about previously-stated role model players. I guess I would add that Hamilton was a multiple time All-Star and famous enough player in his own right, which I think one could say makes it feel even more out of place to have half of his personal life is about a teammate of his. Thanks for any responses, in advance. La rodman (talk) 00:51, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The relevant policy would be WP:PROPORTIONAL, whether his relationship with Jordan is well oft-mentioned.—Bagumba (talk) 03:11, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 December 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 22:35, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Hamilton (basketball) → Rip Hamilton – WP:COMMONNAME RMXY (talk • contribs) 08:37, 10 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 10:12, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Preliminary support. He appears to be best known as Rip, not Richard. O.N.R. ^(talk) 09:33, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Lots of hits for "Richard Hamilton" the basketball player, so I'm not sure COMMONNAME is valid. Also see his basketball-reference.com and NBA.com profiles that use "Richard Hamilton". However, WP:NATDIS could apply:
Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title, is sometimes preferred.
as an alternative to the usual parenthetical disambiguation:
Adding a disambiguating term in parentheses after the ambiguous name is Wikipedia's standard disambiguation technique when none of the other solutions lead to an optimal article title.
—Bagumba (talk) 15:32, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose He was always listed as “Richard” (same as the profiles linked above) and most reporting was the same. “Rip” was his common nickname, but not ubiquitous like Magic Johnson. This feels like it’s driven from trying to give the page a non-DAB name, but honestly that should not happen if we are moving away from commonname. Rikster2 (talk) 21:48, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Seems like a case of WP:NATDIS to me. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 14:41, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose While he's often called "Rip", he's called "Richard" a bit more often, so erring on the side of the more formal name being more encyclopedic. There's actually no policy that natural disambiguation trumps parenthetical. For people's names, given that the article will mostly refer to him as "Hamilton" per MOS:SURNAME, and the lead sentence will still remain "Richard Clay 'Rip' Hamilton", titling the page "Rip Hamilton" would give the undue impression that it's his most common name. This is in contrast to non-person subjects, where the body could still use the more common term, even if the title uses a less-common natural disambiguation term.—Bagumba (talk) 16:48, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. For Richard "Rip" Hamilton, "Rip" is widely understood as being just a nickname while Richard remains common and recognizable. I'd distinguish this from a case like Bam Adebayo where "Bam" is technically also "just" a nickname, but other names are overwhelmingly less recognizable, and even dry reference works list him as Bam. I think Rip, unlike Bam or Smush Parker or Magic Johnson, never clearly became the common name. Adumbrativus (talk) 09:18, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.