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Book publisher[edit]

The book publisher of Kilpatrick's book appears to have been a fly-by-night publisher Creative Publishing Consultants Inc., 19 Hilltopper Ct, Blythewood, South Carolina. It was linked to this address through corporate registration records, and appears to be defunct. The address is a single family dwelling. Bejnar (talk) 18:51, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate infoboxes[edit]

Why do we have two criminal infoboxes? These should be combined. I don't care which one we keep and which one we merge. Does anyone have an opinion? If not I'll pick one and merge the other one into it. GA-RT-22 (talk) 22:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Coemgenus: do you have an opinion on this? The second infobox is now out of date since it doesn't have the second wife or the maiden names. GA-RT-22 (talk) 17:29, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No strong preference, but I'd say the box-within-a-box at the top should go. --Coemgenus (talk) 17:57, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done, thanks. GA-RT-22 (talk) 21:08, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Planned work[edit]

Hello! I know ... uh, nothing about this subject. But I'm going to be doing some background research and my plan is to edit the article quite a bit over the next few weeks, time permitting. In case that falls through, I did want to highlight why I added the tags to the article.

First, the criticism section is, to a large degree, a great example of the type of section WP:CRITS cautions against. The fact that Kilpatrick's resignation of the mayoral position isn't discussed in the "Mayor of Detroit" section is a bit baffling.
The criticism section is also over detailed.
1. I've already trimmed down the discussion of the Greene lawsuit—which, it should be noted, notwithstanding all the affidavits, ultimately didn't even go to trial (a fact that hadn't yet been mentioned).
2. There was also discussion of a Slander lawsuit that appeared to be predicated on the fact that Kilpatrick was ... mentioned in the suit? Mayors of major cities are named or mentioned in many, many suits. That's not enough to warrant inclusion of those suits in the bio.
3. Why is the Carmen Harlan speech pull quoted? Its only reference is to ... a video of that speech. Was it widely reported in other media sources?
Kilpatrick's given name is repeated far too frequently. Generally, under MOS:SURNAME and MOS:SAMESURNAME, the appropriate thing to do is use a full name on first mention, and then refer to the subject only by their surname. (resolved--Jerome Frank Disciple 16:31, 18 May 2023 (UTC))[reply]

--Jerome Frank Disciple 15:43, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great, you're fixing many of the things that bothered me about this article. Keep up the good work! GA-RT-22 (talk) 17:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Updating: I just realized that a ton of information in the controversies section is redundant. For example, and apologies to people already familiar with Kilpatrick: Very briefly, a retaliation lawsuit led to Kilpatrick perjuring himself in regards to an affair; he settled that lawsuit in part to keep evidence of the perjury private; a FOIA request revealed the affair, criminal charges were subsequently brought, and Kilpatrick ultimately resigned. There's one through line there. But this was all split up (and is still somewhat split up) among many sections: Whistleblower trial, Text-messaging scandal, Criminal Charges, Resignation and incarceration" ... and each section seemed to duplicate the information from at least one other section. Trying to work on this redundancy now.--Jerome Frank Disciple 16:31, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Admittedly, this is really hard to structure. I might have to give it some more thought. It doesn't help that the timeline is all over the place. I'm going to do some more reading to see how some retrospective news accounts handle it.--Jerome Frank Disciple 17:22, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]