Talk:William Stuart-Houston

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Great article. Very informative. The photo covers the text and I do not know how to fix it. [[Paul, in Saudi 13:39, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)]]

Completely agreed. --Theloniouszen 18:36, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Apparently he never renounced his British citizenship--and he cannot be both a British celebrity and an American person, so I'm going to fiddle with the categories. Mackensen (talk) 10:50, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The article says that William Patrick Hitler changed his last name but doesn't mention what name was it!

The article says: "The three remaining great-nephews of Adolf Hitler have vowed not to have children, meaning that the Hitler family line will die with them." But the first external link has the eldest saying that he *didn't* make a pact. (This pact notion doesn't really make a lot of sense anyway, it does sound like something that someone's made up to sell a book.) --Bonalaw 12:57, 20 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Even if they don't have children, Adolph Hitler will still have living relatives, just more distant ones.
Is it true that they are paid by various governments not to have children?--Alan Frize 22:09, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Getting paid not to have children must be an easy way of getting money. All you have to do is not have children, and the money keeps pouring in. Of course if you ever actually have a child, the money stops, but you'll just have to wait until you're rich enough.—JIP | Talk 16:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Right up there with getting paid not to grow corn, I imagine. I'd love to get in on that occupation, but apparently I don't own enough land to not grow corn on to qualify. 75.70.123.215 (talk) 05:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article wrongly states, in the first passage or so: "William Patrick 'Willy' Stuart-Houston (né Hitler) (March 12, 1911 – July 14, 1987) was the nephew of Adolf Hitler.", when in fact he was only "half-nephew" (and should be rather happy about it too!).

That's relevant, regarding the discussion about DNA, etc. --213.100.108.51 (talk) 02:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC) - the right dictator...ooops...the right guy for you, 2010 AD[reply]

Sources?[edit]

The three external links all go to one source - David Gardner. Is there any independent source for this information? DavidFarmbrough 08:53 (GMT) 30 August 2005

Having had no response for over two weeks, I have added a disputed template. DavidFarmbrough 09:11, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
What facts in the article do you dispute? Just the fact that the listed sources are the same, unless there are specific reasons to suspect Gardner of not being a reliable source I can see no justification for this template. I have removed the template again. If there are specific facts that you dispute, please add it again. TH 09:27, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have any reason for suspecting Gardner's reliability, but does the uncorroborated research of one individual have a place in an encycolopaedia? DavidFarmbrough 08:20, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Although a single source for the existence and whereabouts of Hitler's nephew may be questionable the fact that CNN's Paula Zahn interviewed Gardner gives it a bit more credibility. Benderr2001@adelphia.net 17:17, 17 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've read about William Patrick Hitler in John Toland's biography of Hitler [ISBN:0385420536]CuinnDubh 03:54, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
"William Patrick Hitler" gets 1160 Google hits, from an FBI site to CNN. I'm removing the "disputed" tag, again. -- Mwanner | Talk 12:13, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

His current name[edit]

I recently had a conversation with an employee of the United States Department of Veterans Affairs where I was told (rather informally) what the present name is which was adopted by the Hitler family after WWII. I am very hesitiant to put it in the article due to privacy reasons and sources of stories that the modern day Hitlers wish to remain unknown. Opinons? -Husnock 17:06, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd leave it out until those concerned are deceased. It wouldn't add anything to the article, but it could potentially cause significant harm to people who, by choice, are not public figures. Mackensen (talk) 17:10, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RodCrosby You appear to already have given it away, although you are not quite accurate in the name you ascribe to William. The last of the Hitlers live in Suffolk County, New York Sate. I could be even more specific, but won't...

(anonymous comment) The current last name of the family, Stuart Houston, is right there in the Officer Down link. It is also easily discovered using commercial search engines. William Patrick Hitler is the subject of a current Broadway play and his sons told a New York Times reporter earlier this month that they are working on a book about their lives. Why should Wikipedia be in the business of censoring correct information just so as to preserve the Hitler brothers' commercial advantage with respect to their book?

RodCrosby 08:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC) The above is nonsense. That link has only just been added, and in no way can be used to justify revealing the name. It merely reveals the name, by linking it to this page. So what? If it is supposedly so easily "discovered" - and I can tell you that it isn't - then let those who want to find out use their own initiative. Show me one single page on the internet that explicitly reveals the name. There isn't one. There is no evidence to date that the family want their privacy so openly compromised. On the contrary, the author of the book, "Last of the Hitlers", states that they specifically asked him not to reveal their new name. There are also inaccuracies in the section regarding the new name, which I won't correct, as I obviously I don't think it should be there at all. But I repeat, there are inaccuracies...[reply]

Per your request, RodCrosby: http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/family/Bastin.html
I find it somewhat naive and hypocritical to come out so strongly against posting the name while flaunting the fact that you yourself have been able to uncover it (no doubt thanks to some expert Google skills) and your preference to leaving inaccuracies in rather than correct them. WP isn't in the business of determining ethics or censoring information that is freely available, independently and previously published, and verifiable. It constitutes an important fact about a notable person (especially but not only for the resemblance to the name of Stewart Chamberlain), and should be included. 129.22.247.117 20:24, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

tasteless joke[edit]

If Adolf really did visit Liverpool in 1912 - and I'm sure I saw a UK Channel-5 TV documentary in which his US relatives confirmed this - how might history have changed if he'd gotten on with them and stayed?...

The tasteless joke is obnoxious and has no place on Wikipedia.

What makes it a joke, tasteless, or obnoxious? There are lots of books written about "what ifs" all the time. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:55, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps not obnoxious, but pure conjecture.....depending on your standared, that may or may not be acceptable...--220.237.56.163 06:09, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Y chromosome DNA test done on Adolf Hitler's nephews[edit]

Why doesn't one of Adolf Hitler's nephews get a Y chromosome DNA test done on himself to see if he has a middle eastern Y chromosome? This would prove that Adolf Hitler had a jewish grandfather since the Y chromosome is passed from father to son pretty much undisturbed..

What is a "middle eastern Y chromosome"? User:Zoe|(talk) 23:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is a chromosome that jewish males have(haplogroup J) and pass on to the offspring they sired while having sexual relations with the house servant. The middle eastern y chromosome is distinguishable from say an asian male's(haplogroup K) or a germanic male's(haplogroup R1a1).

that part with "middle eastern Y chromosome" is of course total and utter boloney, without any kind of serious, scientific sources to it, whatsoever!

I wonder what schools that anonymous writer ever went to, if any.

Human beings, as most scholars know, consist of 23 pairs of chromosomes. What "haplogoup R1a1" means, seems to refer to genes and that's another topic, which is far too deep to discuss here.

Do we really have to discuss this ridiculous race issue (and race biology thing) again and again and again, over and over?

I'm sure a certain A. Hitler wouldn't turn in his bunker but on the contrary applaud such idiotic statements as: "middle eastern Y chromosome" but is that the purpose here?

Is the purpose to make a dead man walk again? A man, who rather not be called a "man", since he was obviously more like a monster, a lunatic, a drug addict, etc. --213.100.108.51 (talk) 02:53, 3 September 2010 (UTC) the right guy: vote for me! :O)[reply]

Perhaps they have done so and will be revealing the results in their book :) --Gloriamarie 17:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are you being facetious or are they really releasing a book? BTW Haplogroup R1a is less so a "Germanic male" Y Chromosome than haplogroup J is semitic (it's highly Italian too). R1a along with R2 can be found in south asia, R1b1b2a2g or R1b1b2a1 would be the likely "German" forms of R, with I2b1 following closely as a Germanic paternal-line ancestral-indicative haplogroup found in Germany (along with I1 which would be more nordic / Scandinavian but not unknown in Germany). R1a would just be ironic because of the eastern Indic use of the term "Aryan" and it's small frequency also in north-western Europe, but that does not make it "German" or likely to be found in an Austrian. The paternal lines of Napoleon could also be tested, as they still live through his brother's sons, such as Jean-Christophe Napoléon or his father Charles Napoléon who would have the same Y chromosome as Napoleon I. 67.5.156.228 (talk) 20:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Houston Stewart Chamberlain[edit]

The article says:

If we can verify that William Patrick Hitler's adopted name was indeed inspired by Houston Stewart Chamberlain, we should mention that and attribute it. If it was not inspired by Houston Stewart Chamberlain, the similarity is merely an interesting and amusing but essentially unencyclopedic sidenote and should be omitted. I think we should either verify and attribute this, or not mention it at all. AecisBrievenbus 10:57, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I included a source (The Independent) that mentions something along the lines of "critics say the adopted surname was strikingly similar to..." To balance it, I included an assertion from his family that he had completely rejected Nazi beliefs in pursuit of the American Dream. I also mentioned that he was wounded fighting for the US during the war. --Gloriamarie 17:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"My name is Hess"[edit]

Was the recruiting officer's name really Hess or was he just joking? JIP | Talk 20:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure he was just joking.--Cúchullain t/c 23:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Possible clarification might be to attribute that to a name, a person, a specific recruit office, a date, other persons who had heard it,.......

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 01:00, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It may have been a joke. It certainly sounds like a joke. However, I know Americans named Hess. Their ancestors came over several generations ago (before World War II). Therefore there is a possibility that the recruiting officer's name was Hess. It should be possible to research this if someone wants to invest the time and money to do so. (71.22.47.232 (talk) 21:25, 19 June 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Moses Hess was an associate of Karl Marx and early Zionist, so the recruitment officer may have been Jewish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.219.113.220 (talk) 14:06, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

He used his medical training to establish a business analysing blood samples for hospitals.[edit]

Is there anything specific about his last three decades?

He was about,.... seventy-six?

  • Where was this office? Current status?
  • Religion?
  • Political-party?
  • Anything written?

Is there a list of those who continue the lastname, other than those who are listed as closely related? Is the name used @ all, other than f/ those in the article?

Thank You,

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 01:00, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

His business[edit]

Would WPH have been the founder of Sunrise Medical Labs or its predecessor business? Or was his company ultimately absorbed by Quest Diagnostics? knoodelhed (talk) 17:41, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Naval Medical Corps[edit]

Quoting the article: "William Patrick Hitler served in the US Navy and received the Naval Medical Corps before being discharged in 1947, after being wounded during the course of the war"

Maybe this is supposed to say Naval Medical Corps 'medal' or something like that. It is unlikely he received the whole Corps.

Wanderer57 (talk) 11:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

this is just WRONG from beginning to end. the 'medical corps' is one of the staff corps of the navy, consisting of commissioned officers who are m.d.'s. corpsmen are NOT considered to be members of the medical corps, any more than are nurses, who are commissioned officers with their own staff corps (the 'nurse corps')! moreover, they weren't called corpsmen during wwii, but, rather, 'pharmacist's mates', and the rating device wasn't the now familiar caduceus, but a red cross.Toyokuni3 (talk) 16:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Clean-up and streamlining[edit]

My section title says it all. I have done all that without harming the content or information. I don't know who did this but the writing and structure needed some slight editing. It is far better now.75.21.153.249 (talk) 16:07, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Grandchildren[edit]

It is virtually impossible to prove that a man has fathered no children. Except in cases where medical confirmation of sterility from early his early teens on or in cases where there was no opportunity to engage in sexual intercourse. For a man in normal society, it is essentially impossible to prove or even convincingly demonstrate that he has no offspring. At most, what can be demonstrated is that the man claims not to have fathered any children (although it should be clear he would not necessarily know whether a casual sexual encounter resulted in a woman's giving birth). This article claims that none of the sons have children. This suffers from 3 problems:1. They wouldn't necessarily know. 2. They would likely want to protect their children from the notoriety of being a relative of Adolph Hitler (suggesting they have a motive to lie in public statements about their children's existence) and finally 3. Even if they hadn't fathered a child as of yesterday, that can change with a single sexual encounter today. I suggest the wording of the article be changed to indicate that one (or more?) of the sons claims to have no children as of the date that the claim was made.98.21.210.4 (talk) 19:03, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

When a bio says someone was childless, or unmarried, everyone knows that's merely the best information available, and that a secret marriage or secret paternity can't be ruled out. Unless a source raises a plausible reason to doubt such statements, we aren't going to belabor the point. EEng 22:32, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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