Talk:Press Your Luck

Profanity

Recently, a few users have been reverting my edits, which changed "Oh, s***" to "Oh, shit!" and "F***ING S***!" to "FUCKING SHIT!"

Please see Wikipedia:Profanity- specifically, this line:

If you are including some famous person's exact quote, don't censor -- tell us what that person actually said, as long as the quote itself is relevant to the article. There's no point in ever turning an instance of "fuck" into "f***" or "the f word"; if you wish to do that you should paraphrase rather than quote.

While the person in question is not "famous", the profanity should not be censored- either it should be left unedited, as I think should be done with it, or it should be removed altogether. ral315 20:21, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

Jim Hess may have said those words on air.--E2e3v6 (talk) 21:29, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Airing on Nickelodeon?

Someone added a bit about how one episode was accidentally telecast on Nickelodeon. I find this hard to believe, considering that USA and GSN, the two most recent owners of PYL reruns, have no relation with Viacom, the owner of Nickelodeon. I also was unable to find any information about this event on a Google search. My guess is that a local cable company made a mistake; because as said above, I doubt Nickelodeon would even have a copy of the original series, being as no one in the Viacom family has rights to it. Unless someone can give me proof to the contrary, I am removing this portion of the article. ral315 19:42, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Reply: As far as I know, someone was wrong on the statement of PYL being on Nick. I have been a part of a lot of game show message boards and discussions, and as far as I know from reading and talking about everything PYL, it has NEVER been on any station other than CBS, USA, and GSN.PYLrulz 17:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC) (forgot to sign this)

The show was also syndicated for a short time in 1986-87, in reruns, to test the market for new episodes in syndication. It didn't happen.

Theme Remix

I posted something concerning a VERY rare instance that happened on the show from time to time: the theme "ending" during the credit roll, and a remixed version playing after the original theme ended. Although I probably know what my answer will be, I'll try anyway: Does anyone have any idea where I could possibly find a file of this remix, either being used on the show or a plain file of the remix itself (or both if found)?

I believe that the PYL Whammy was voiced by creator Bill Carruthers. He's dead now. Since they did create a mini-cartoon for the USA syndicated version, it might have been more popular in 1987. 71.111.215.224 21:28, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, what do you know? It's Bill Kopp. 71.111.232.40 21:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Never mind about the "remix". Apparently when this happened, they reused the opening theme, only somewhere in the middle, until the show faded. I added the info in and also gave a link to where one could find both themes.

"Malfunction"

The article currently states that the occasional staggering of the changes of the slides in the game board -- where the slides in the odd-numbered squares change at a different time from the slides in the even-numbered squares -- was a "malfunction". It was my impression that this was actually a feature of the board, and that it was deliberately done when contestants had particularly high scores, to make it more difficult for the contestant to pick out a low-Whammy board configuration to stop the board on. And in watching a few episodes, it does appear that the staggering begins after a player has taken five or six spins without a Whammy, and then suddenly goes back to normal (all squares changing at once) when the player Whammies or passes. Does anyone have more concrete information on this? Kickaha Ota 17:05, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. The board is a very complex and mechanical beast, and the technical fans are nowhere near fully understanding it's operation. As unpredictable as the out-of-sync spins were, it's hard to pin down how they occurred. There are a few things which lead me to believe that the OOS spins were not intentional - for one, during the Larson game, the board only went OOS once Michael had reached $52,351 - far more than five or six spins. Had it been intentional, I would imagine they would have took the board OOS far sooner. I have also seen instances where, during a single spin, the board would shuffle the odds, then the evens, and then begin shuffling OOS. Also, the board did indeed malfunction even if the OOS spins wouldn't be considered as such - there were several instances where either squares 1, 7, 15, or squares 2, 8, 16 would all stick during a board shuffle - when this happened, it's been noticed that the values in the stuck squares were more often than not the same exact values (see here for more information (including screenshots taken from mid-shuffle). However, it should be noted that on Whammy!, the board does indeed go OOS in round 3 during later episodes, and this is indeed intentional (and on Whammy! there aren't two chains, but three). LocalH 21:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I will attest to that. As LocalH said, if that was the case (OOS on high money counts), this would of happened the entire time of when Larson was taking his spins. I had also seen instances every once in a while where it would go OOS even when someone took their first few spins.PYLrulz 22:10, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you both very much for the information. Sounds like I was mixing up PYL and Whammy in my memories. Kickaha Ota 17:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Your welcome :). Yeah, it was Whammy that had the board go OOS during the 2nd round PYLrulz 11:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

The 1980 Pilot

The 1980 Press Your Luck pilot was a COMPLETELY different show and had absolutely nothing to do with this series. Leave the pilot information in the beginning alone. The Green Lantern 01:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Game Downloads?

I don't think this section should be in the article. Isn't it illegal to make those games? Correct me if I'm wrong. FamicomJL 03:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing. There could be copyright problems with the downloads, especially since they are probably creating competition for the DVD game on the market. Steven D. 05:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

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Copyright Claim

" Another very rare malfunction occurred when one of the slides did not fade out, but the other slides were shuffling normally, and you could see two slides blend together. This was seen in the intro sequence to Episode #629 in 1986, when, in square #14, the navy blue $2500 loaded up late and was seen blending in with MOVE ONE SPACE and the Whammy. "

The link to the YouTube.com video has been removed per copyright claim, and should be removed as a source due to un-verifiable info.

71.109.218.57 05:17, 8 November 2007 (UTC)Collin

Acronym

Throughout the article, the acronym PYL (commonly used by fans) is used. I feel this is non-encyclopedic and should be reverted...any objections? Modor (talk) 17:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Modor

Notable Contestants

Another user messaged me on my talk page about editing down the Notable Contestants selection. The reason for Jim Hess's removal is that he is really only notable to game show fans. He is not of the same level of notoriety as Michael Larsen or other people who have gone on to have careers in entertainment, such as Jenny Jones or Michael Horton.

I offer the same argument for Jack Campion, Maggie Brown and Karen Martin. These three contestants have faded into obscurity for the general populace. Although they remain "fan favorites," are they really "notable?" Who (other than game show fans) would possibly them?

Sottolacqua (talk) 17:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Not just game shows, but there are lots of stuff, sports, general life, etc. where they are fan favorites, and yet, not really notable. The reason Campion, Brown, Martin, and Hess I would say should go on the list is that, in the grand scheme of things, they are real notable in Press Your Luck history. Do you really think Myke Horton is real notable outside of American Gladiators?!? I can probably guarentee you 99% wouldnt know who Randy West is, even if you told them what he has done post-PYL appearence. Steve Bryant was nothing more than a small part of the Houston Oilers, rather than some #1 Receiver, or such.

There are a few that had been on the list, I can understand, but there are a few others where I believe it can be notable enough. I only support them on the list for PYL purposes. Whammies Were Here 19:18, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I see your point with the notability of Campion, Brown, Martin, and Hess among other contestants. I'd say just leave 'em in. Sottolacqua (talk) 18:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Most of the information in this section is fancruft. I propose most all of it (especially people who have no other connection to anything, such as Maggie Brown and Karen Martin) be removed. Modor (talk) 00:46, 4 March 2009 (UTC)Modor

Fancruft

I would also suggest removing the paragraph about the "ding" used on the show. This information is not particularly meaningful.

Also, the word "infamously" when used in the Pick-A-Corner description suggests that this moment, among all others, would be notable to casual viewers of the show and not just game show fans.

Nicknames given "by fans" such as the line about spin bouncing/"see-saw battles" should also be removed. Sottolacqua (talk) 18:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

To go over one by one...

1- The ding, its about something thats a part of the show. I could see an argument against leaving the info on the page, but I would rather hear from others on their opinion. I could see either side of the argument.

2- The Infamous Pick-A-Corner choice is infamous in Press Your Luck history. As I had said with the contestants, there are certain things that might be infamous amongst certain areas, but might not be outside the subject/area/etc. In PYL history though, it is infamous, and believe it should stay as such.

3- Nicknames by fans for certain things on the show should also stay. The information about that given will give the reader an understanding of certain things on the show, and when described elsewhere, the reader knows what is being talked about. The spin bouncing and such, for example, is not only known amongst PYL fans, but also many gameshow fans who might not be as much into PYL. Whammies Were Here 10:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

1-The Ding: It's a bell sound effect. The percentage of other game show articles describing minutia like this is very very low. It really adds nothing to the description of the mechanics of the game.

2-Pick a Corner: Infamous among whom? I'm not saying remove the paragraph entirely, just don't call it "infamous" because the infamy only lives on among game show fans--not the average person browsing Wikipedia.

3-Nicknames: The description in the spin bouncing paragraph already gives information to the reader about the act. Why are the fan nicknames necessary? When described elsewhere, why not maintain consistency and call it "spin bouncing?"

The point I'm making is that not everyone who visits this article is a PYL or even a game show fan--the less often "fan speak" is used the less this article will appear like a fan page. Sottolacqua (talk) 13:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

As I had said, if the ding description were to be taken out, I can understand it, but some of the other stuff, its either infamous to the show (doesn't necessarily have to be infamous to every single person, in my opinion, just at least a part of the show), and the nicknames (as long as it doesn't go overblown) I believe can be acceptable. Whammies Were Here 10:44, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I took out the description of the bell effect.

I would say qualifying what Larsen did is infamous; the choice for Pick a Corner – not so much. While it is true that one of the choices was always illogical, suggesting that particular aspect of the show, above anything else, is what's "infamous" is not entirely accurate. The Whammy is "infamous"...this is not.

I took out the nicknames, too. Fan nicknames are not relevant to describing the incident. Sottolacqua (talk) 13:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

UK version

Arthurvasey (talk) 21:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

A version of this was made by Reg Grundy Productions for HTV West - it hadn't been heard of prior to this - auditionees had to telephone a London number, which turned out to be the London offices of Reg Grundy Productions.

Prospective contestants had to make their own way to and from Bristol - the producer and researchers at the time didn't even know who was going to present it.

They used the same studio as a kids' TV show called "Ask Oddie" for the auditions - the tell-tale signs were everywhere.

They started off by playing a full edition of the Australian version of the show - they also had contestants answering questions - most of which were about Australia! The contestants then swapped forms and were given somebody else's to mark.

How do I know? I was one of those contestants.

I didn't make it on to the show - but the producer rang me and told me that Paul Coia would be presenting it - I hadn't made it on to the show - I was invited to be an audience member - but declined, as it was a bit far to go.

CBS Television City

Does it matter if Studio 33 or 41 is mentioned or what? I mean, it should be mentioned. --E2e3v6 (talk) 21:23, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

If you have a source for the specific studio location at Television City where taping took place, add it. Sottolacqua (talk) 21:34, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I think the 2nd edition of The Encyclopedia of TV Game Shows from 1995 might have your source (I don't know for sure). But I do know that Studio 41 is where parts of The Young and The Restless are shown without the Tattletales bleachers and Studio 33, as we all know is The Price is Right's home base, which, by the way, is going in to its 40th year (Drew Carey's 5th) on CBS in a couple months. Thank you.--E2e3v6 (talk) 13:07, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

or does http://www.cbstelevisioncity.com/shows# work as a source as well or what? --E2e3v6 (talk) 22:25, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I was watching the show for many years now. I know for a fact that Press Your Luck was in Studio 33 at the start and in early 1984, It alternated between Studio 33 and Studio 41 across the hall. In February 1985, Studio 41 became their permanent home. Can I put that in now that there is a sorce or what?--E2e3v6 (talk) 22:52, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

CBSTelevisionCity.com clearly states that Press Your Luck taped in Studio 43 for most of its run; why is Studio 41 listed as the studio of record? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyshaun1 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 7 August 2011

Go to the "Shows" page of the Television City website and click 1984. Episodes were taped in studio 41 in April 1984. Sottolacqua (talk) 13:03, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

However, 43 should have been listed with 41 either not mentioned at all or noted as having taped there for only one month. Sottolacqua (talk) 13:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

43 should have been marked as 41. I agree. But what baffles me is why the same bleachers from Tattletales are in the audience.--E2e3v6 (talk) 21:27, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

The purpose of this talk page is not to investigate why pieces of one set end up in another studio. Take that discussion to a fan message board or, if this is somehow something other than Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, the talk page of CBS Television City. Sottolacqua (talk) 21:41, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Other Notable Contestants

Basically the contestants listed below Michael Larson are famous people. That means I should not put in Karen Martin, Jack Champion, Maggie Brown, Cathy Singer or anybody else associated with Press Your Luck. I have discovered Steve Bryant, The Houston Oilers football player. Wasn't he the one who yelled "No Whammieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!" during his spins or what? If the answer is yes, can I put him in, or has that happened already? Peace!--E2e3v6 (talk) 20:32, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

With the exception of Bryant, these are not people who have gone on/had previously met criteria that would be considered notable; they are merely contestants. Contestants who have done nothing other than appear on other game shows should not be included. Sottolacqua (talk) 20:37, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Can I put in Paige Green, the LA Raiders cheerleader? Knowing that very late in the run, her "N" in spins fell out once? I think she was also on "Squares" in '98 or '99 and married John Elway a year and 11 months ago. Is it all right to mention her? --E2e3v6 (talk) 21:00, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

No. A cheeerleader for a professional sports team is not a notable person compared to the other people mentioned in the article. If you can't link the person to a biographical article already on Wikipedia, don't add them. Sottolacqua (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

All right. How about Cameron Crayroft, the Trident Gum spokesman, will that work?--E2e3v6 (talk) 00:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

No and no. Sottolacqua (talk) 01:10, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

All right. I give up. You mean to say that when I added Randy West last week, that was pretty much the last piece of the puzzle, and not the kind you see on Wheel of Fortune or Concentration or Classic Concentration?--E2e3v6 (talk) 01:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I just discovered Body Break spokesperson Hal Johnson was on the show, twice. But I can't put him in unless there is an article about him on the number one website in the world Wikipedia. Right, chief?--E2e3v6 (talk) 21:33, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

No, we must find a third-party reliable source (i.e. newspaper or magazine) to verify the claim. Make sense? Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:35, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Jenny Jones was also a standup comic. You don't need a source for that, I don't think. Jones is a comic. Trust me.--E2e3v6 (talk) 11:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Not notable. Her show is all that is notable. WikiLubber (talk) 13:38, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Pop Culture Whammies

Within the last few hours, i have added pop culture icons Liberace, Willie Nelson and Tina Turner with them being deleted every time. There is a source for this stuff: http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/harrow/953/whammies.htm. Yours truly does not fool around on wikipedia.--E2e3v6 (talk) 01:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Enough with this. That link is not an acceptable source, and stating "then-current and classic pop culture icons" is more than sufficient for the purposes of a Wikipedia article. Sottolacqua (talk) 01:14, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Chief, but I do remember Peter saying something about Tammy Whammette, Whammy's girlfriend. Can she be mentioned?--E2e3v6 (talk) 21:16, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

No. Too trivial. WikiLubber (talk) 22:05, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

GOCEreviewed

I've removed the "copy edit" tag from the article for the time being because the article is under very active development and the other tags indicate that this is desirable. Once the content is stabilized, please do add a new copy edit tag if you wish. --Stfg (talk) 23:14, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Animated logo

I propose that the current animated logo be replaced with a static logo, because it's atypical for articles, and it's really distracting. :) Trivialist (talk) 13:10, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll freeze it. Give me a second or two...  MegastarLV  (talk)

There.  MegastarLV  (talk)

Big Board

For people who may not be familiar with the show, wouldn't it be a good idea to include an image of the Big Board. I have attempted twice to put an image in the article, and both times the image was deleted.

--JoBrLa (talk) 13:57, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

I've gone and added it in a more appropriate section than the infobox. Cheers. 65.33.107.187 (talk) 00:38, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

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Viewer poems

Can we find a way to fit into the article the fact that Tomarken would sometimes read poems submitted by viewers about the Whammys? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:15, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Neil Flynn on Press Your Luck

Where did Dbug27 get his claim that actor Neil Flynn was a contestant on the third-to-last episode of the show from? There's a reason why a "Citation Needed" was added next to that claim. Because I can't find anything that proves such a claim.2600:6C50:7006:400:1541:C156:4D34:A295 (talk) 23:53, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Unsourced entries have been removed. The source for Ralph Strangis needs to be replaced because current is WP:COPYVIO. AldezD (talk) 12:33, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Rule changes 2019

For the 2019 version of the show there will be new rules that will be in place. Between 1983 and 1986, ties in the main game were allowed to stand; in the 2002 version of the game, ties were broken by a tiebreaker question, which was never needed.

Also, a bonus round will take place where the top prize is $1,000,000. I accidentally edited the article to show the rule changes for the 2019 version. As a result, this article will need to be edited again after the show's first episode since 2003 airs (the date being June 10 or 11, 2019).J4lambert (talk) 12:08, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Your "accidental" edit did not meet WP:V. You need a source. AldezD (talk) 12:18, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

BuzzerBlog article on rule changes J4lambert (talk) 20:18, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Not a site that meets WP:V. Includes the line "We were told...". AldezD (talk) 02:48, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Years in the infobox

RBBrittain has taken exception to the instructions for {{Infobox television}}, specifically that presenters' years not be included in the infobox. In order to keep any discussion in one place I have moved the fllowing from my talk page:

I reverted your reversion of my edit as well as your hidden note. First, you provided NO actual citation (i.e., link) to the alleged "infobox instructions" supporting your claim. Second, even if correct, there are OTHER entries in that infobox that violate your claim; it makes ZERO SENSE to ban years ONLY on the hosts entry I edited when several other entries in the SAME infobox (directors, producers, production companies, networks, video format) have them.

The real issue here is that this infobox refers to TWO SEPARATE versions of the Press Your Luck game show in the U.S. (which you may be unaware of as an Australian) -- the "original" 1983-1986 version (actually a revamp of a previous show) on CBS hosted by Peter Tomarken, and an upcoming summer revival on the U.S. ABC network to be hosted by Elizabeth Banks. Without years, the "presented by" entry essentially reads as if Tomarken & Banks hosted BOTH versions together, which is clearly wrong; Banks was only 9 when the original version debuted, while Tomarken died in 2006. As long as BOTH versions share the same infobox, the years are REQUIRED for disambiguation unless the entry is the same for both versions. (Indeed, I will be adding years to the announcer entry as Rod Roddy died in 2003 so he can't announce the revival.) If there's any actual problem with my edit then the two versions need to be in SEPARATE infoboxes if not separate articles, which IMO is inappropriate at this time as the upcoming short-term revival isn't currently notable separately from the original. --RBBrittain (talk) 12:59, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Indeed, there is a classic example of your "infobox instructions" claim being disregarded if not ignored because it's blatantly inappropriate under the circumstances: The Price Is Right (U.S. game show), which uses years in its infobox to distinguish between original host Bob Barker and current host Drew Carey (in addition to the hosts of various nighttime spin-offs). --RBBrittain (talk) 13:33, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@RBBrittain: The "alleged" infobox instructions are there for everyone to see at Template:Infobox television. They're not something I need to cite as there is a link to the infobox at the bottom of the edit window every time you edit the page. This should especially not be the case for someone who has been editing Wikipedia for nearly 13 years. The instructions for presenter are clear: "Years or seasons should not be included." This the same as for some other fields. The place for years is in the prose. The matter was initially discussed here in an RfC. From there it was discussed at WT:TV and eventually found its way into the instructions. There has been enough discussion to support the consensus. See also here and I'm sure you can find more discussions if you look.

Indeed, there is a classic example of your "infobox instructions" claim being disregarded if not ignored because it's blatantly inappropriate under the circumstances - WP:OSE - If there is local consensus to include years then it is permissible. If there is no consensus to ignore the instructions then years should be removed. --AussieLegend (✉) 15:27, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Until there is consensus to ignore the easily locatable instructions for {{Infobox television}} then the instructions there should be followed. --AussieLegend (✉) 15:33, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

2019 winnings

Michael Larson's winnings record on Press Your Luck has finally been surpassed. On the episode that aired on June 26, 2019, a woman named Mellanie (last name unknown) won a total of $114,135. J4lambert (talk) 01:34, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

@J4lambert: Her last name is Smith-Simmons per this press release. In order to avoid violating WP:NOTFORUM, what would be the best way to make a note of this in the article? --Bcschneider53 (talk) 01:56, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

This does not belong in the article. It is not as important of a situation as what Larson achieved, especially considering the heavily increased prizes offered in 2019 as well as monetary inflation over the last 30+ years. AldezD (talk) 14:27, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

When adjusted for inflation, Mellanie is not even close to Michael Larson's winnings (nearly $300K in today's dollars). 9March2019 (talk) 15:23, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

@AldezD and 9March2019: Thank you for your input, and after sleeping on it, I tend to agree given how far apart the years are and how different the circumstances are. However, since the new version has the potential for a $1,000,000 prize to be given out, should that amount ever be won, I personally think we should make a note of it. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 15:48, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

WP:CBALL. If it happens, add it. No need to mention within the article until it does. AldezD (talk) 15:50, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Agree 100%. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 15:51, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

That event will certainly merit inclusion in the article because to win that kind of money, contestants will have to do what Michael Larson did in 1984. It'll be very difficult to do as the board is now completely random and "Larson-proof". 9March2019 (talk) 17:29, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

CBS episode count

How are we figuring there are 761 episodes in the CBS series (1983-1986)? Most sources I've seen come to only 758. Blozier2006 (talk) 05:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Losers keeping winnings

Lest I be baited into a revert war that I somehow get punished for, User TenPoundHammer is bizarrely insisting that the losers in the 80s show got their prizes and is reverting my attempts to fix this. Somebody else want to step in and join the "discussion" of this painfully obvious fact? Lambertman (talk) 13:27, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

You could have said that without the personal attacks. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 16:27, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

I said nothing unwarranted. Lambertman (talk) 23:44, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Grungaloo (talk · contribs) 23:42, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   Some minor clarity issues, and the lead needs a few additions, see comments. Layout is good.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

   Some sources, like Game Show Network, are flagged as questionable, but they're only used for minor uncontroversial details. No copyvio detected. International version section is missing sources or source validation failed, see comment.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Good coverage of facts, nothing it omitted that I would expect to be there.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Meets NPOV

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   There's some bad edits coming from IPs that get reverted, but this doesn't seem to be impacting stability and there's a few established editors monitoring this from what I can see.

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Images are good, no usage issues.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments

Refs 1,5,25,27 all good

• I'd expect the lead to mention Michael Larson, and it seems to be missing any mentions of international versions and merchandise. Could you add those in?
• Before I go further, I notice that the gameplay section is virutally entirely unsourced. Looking at other gameshow GAs Wheel of Fortune (American game show), Who Wants to Be a Millionaire (American game show), there doesn't seem to be a consistent expectation for this. Are you able to point me to any relevant discussion on the Television wikiproject that maybe gives guidance here?

• @Grungaloo: I added Larson, international versions, and video game adaptations to the lead. It's my understanding that a summary of a game show's rules is the equivalent of a plot summary of a movie or episodic TV series, so sourcing is not mandatory because the work itself is understood to be the source. I only did it on the Wheel of Fortune article due to that show having a large number of rules that have changed over time. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 16:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

@TenPoundHammer Ok that's what I figured. I imagine finding a source that clearly lays out the rules is almost impossible too. Thanks for clarifying! I'll finish the review and ping you. grungaloo (talk) 16:51, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

• On January 6, 1986, CBS relocated Press Your Luck - When you say relocated, I think you mean they changed the time slot right? I'd change it to say "changed the time slot" or something, otherwise it sounds like they physically relocated the set.
• with up to 32 new patterns - Do you have an exact number here? It seems odd to say "up to 32" when there must have been a set number of new patterns. Could also try rewriting it like "with over 30 new patters" or something.
• after this, GSN aired episodes from the 1984 - This is the only place you use GSN in this section, I'd suggest changing it to Game Show Network to be consistent (or swap them all to GSN).
• On July 2, 2018, reruns - Not required for GA, but you could probably just join this to the previous paragraph.
• International versions - There's some sourcing issues in this section. Only the Australian and UK versions have sources, and the source for the UK version doesn't mention the show at all from what i can tell. Could you please find sources for this info please?
• An Australian version, with Ian Turpie as host and John Deeks as announcer, on Seven Network from 1987 to 1988. - I think a word is missing, "aired on Seven Network..."?
• A dsots game based on the 2019 format was also released, - What's dsots? Could you wikilink or add a quick explanation for it?
• In September 2012, Ludia released Press Your Luck Slots on Facebook - Not required for GA, but again could join this sentence to the previous paragraph.

Hi again TenPoundHammer. I've finished my review. There's a few minor prose issues, and the lead could use a few more things. The bigger issues is the international version section - it's lacking sources for a lot of claims and one of the sources that is there only validates part of what it needs to. I'm hoping that's not an insurmountable issue, since it's mostly just claims of who hosted it and when it aired I'd expect those aren't too difficult to find. Let me know how it goes! grungaloo (talk) 23:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

I think I sourced all the international versions, at least the ones explicitly mentioned in the text. I also made a few more minor tweaks at your request. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 23:26, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Looks great, thanks! Congrats on GA. grungaloo (talk) 01:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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