Talk:Cyril of Jerusalem

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Question[edit]

What is the Schaff-Herzog Encyc of Religion from where the initial text was coming from, and can it be used in Wikipedia? (http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/ seems to be the right link.) Colin Marquardt 23:18, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Yes, it can be used. It is public domain. Pastordavid 17:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Question[edit]

Does anyone have suggestion where to find primary or secondary sources for Cyril of Jerusalem? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsilvahist325 (talk • contribs) 03:25, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are we sure the section called "Letter to Constantius" relating a miracle that happened around the time of his ascention to the episcoposy belongs on this page and not on the page regarding St. Cyril of Alexandria? It mentions Alexandria a couple times and is taken from an account centered on Alexandria... -141.214.17.4 (talk) 21:59, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Review[edit]

Article appears to be mostly cut and paste from Schaff-Herzog. (1) There is much more great info out there about Cyril, and this article should take advantage of it; (2) This article needs in-text citations; (3) it needs re-written to be more than a cut-and-paste job. Rated "High" importance because he is a doctor of the church, and one of the most notable occupants of the ancient see of Jerusalem. Pastordavid 17:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Butler[edit]

Butler says Cyril was "well-read in the Church Fathers". But as a group they were his contemporaries and so would there have been that much for him to have been well read in at that stage?

Write-up of 13th Catechetical Lecture[edit]

In the paragraph starting "In the 13th lecture…", the current version reads

Cyril writes "who did not sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth, who, when he was reviled, did not revile, when he suffered did not threaten". This line by Cyril shows his belief in the selflessness of Jesus especially in this last final act of Love.

The material in quotation marks is 1 Peter 2:22–23. It is then hardly appropriate to refer to it as "This line by Cyril", nor to infer from it Cyril's belief in the selflessness of Jesus.

Further on in the paragraph, the author contends

For example, Cyril writes "I gave my back to those who beat me and my cheeks to blows; and my face I did not shield from the shame of spitting". This clearly reflects the teachings of Jesus to turn the other cheeks and not raising your hands against violence because violence just begets violence begets violence.

Again, this is Cyril quoting Scripture (Isaiah 50:6), so "clearly reflect[ing] the teachings of Jesus" is not precisely true (except insofar as Jesus' actions stem from an origin shared with the words of Isaiah).

It would seem that this paragraph needs to be recast in order to recognize that Cyril was quoting Scripture and not coming up with original material (if that is what the author intended. Luskwater (talk) 23:44, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This section is good up until the block quote, which is a nice quote but needs context (why are we seeing it?). Everything following the block quote is fairly superfluous and should be deleted or greatly reduced. Quotes therein attributed to Cyril are actually from the Bible (1 Peter and Isaiah) and so do not represent his original thought.

Also, the quote at the end on baptism and eschatology should certainly be deleted as the footnoted source text attributes that insight to Gregory of Nyssa, not Cyril of Jerusalem! https://books.google.com/books?id=E5AdzMNMZzMC&q=Cyril+of+Jerusalem+Eschatology&pg=PA61 Godsp3d (talk) 17:16, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]