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RM, Rwandan Genocide → Rwandan genocide, moved, 3 April 2016, discussion
RM, Rwandan genocide → Genocide against the Tutsi, not moved, 9 April 2022, discussion

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No mention of Ikiza[edit]

There is no mention of the 1972 Ikiza killings in the Background section of the article.

Although they happened in neighboring Burundi rather than Rwanda, I believe they are important to understand the background of the Rwandan genocide. OlBoes (talk) 23:10, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2024[edit]

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"kinship" is mistakenly worded as "kingship" in the section "Pre-independent Rwanda and the origins of Hutu, Tutsi and Twa groups" Vladverde (talk) 17:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done
— Urro^{[talk][edits]} ⋮ 18:44, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2024[edit]

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Not Rwandan Genocide but 1994 Genocide against the Tutsi 2A00:F41:34A3:1AAA:1CC3:E4EB:B04D:665B (talk) 21:47, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 21:55, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2024[edit]

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It is not 'Rwandan Genocide' but "The Genocide against the Tutsi in Rwanda" for the former contributes to genocide tactical denialism,and doesn't align with UN General Assembly Decision 72/550 of 26 January 2018 and (2) Resolution A/RES/74/273 of 20 April 2020, in which the General Assembly “[reaffirmed] 7 April as the International Day of Reflection on the 1994 Genocide against the Tutsi in Rwanda”.: https://press.un.org/en/2018/ga12000.doc.htm

The Genocide against the tutsi" captures the historical facts of what happened in 1994 — genocide against the Tutsi in Rwanda — and left no room for ambiguity. The tactics of genocide denial and revisionism were well known and documented. Some people promoted the theory of double genocide in the futile belief that it might divert their own responsibility. The more than 1 million people who perished in the genocide were killed in the most horrendous conditions because they belonged to a group that was dehumanized and targeted for total extermination"-Rwanda in General assembly,26 January 2018

Genocide requires a special intent. Indeed, to be qualified as genocide, a crime needs to fulfil at least three conditions: (1) it must be committed against members of a specific group listed in the Convention;a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group (2) the members must be targeted "as such" (as members of that group), and (3) they must be targeted with the intent to destroy them in whole or part.

Therefore, based on this definition, it's impossible that the 1994 genocide in Rwanda targeted Rwandans altogether, unless the author of "Rwandan genocide" suggests that (1) there were three separate genocides in Rwanda – one against each group:hutu;tutsi;Twa or (2) a single genocide against the Rwandan national group, which would mean that victims would have been targeted, not for their “ethnicity” but for their Rwandan nationality. And we know that both options are historically untrue.

2) The crime of genocide in a specific place doesn’t exist just because it was defined in an international convention. This crime needs to be established by a court of law, which has to demonstrate that members of one of the four groups mentioned in the Genocide Convention were targeted, as such, to be destroyed in whole or part.

For the case of Rwanda, the crime of genocide was established by the Trial Chamber of the UN International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (#ICTR) in its very first judgment, "Prosecutor against Jean-Paul Akayesu" of 2nd September 1998. In this judgement, the Tribunal concluded that “the crime of genocide was indeed committed in Rwanda in 1994 against the Tutsi as a group”.

This judgement was confirmed by the Appeals Chamber of the ICTR, which, on 16 June 2006, issued a judicial notice (ICTR-98-44-AR73(C)) that concluded that it was a “fact of common knowledge” that “between 6 April and 17 July 1994, there was a genocide in Rwanda against the Tutsi ethnic group”. This judicial notice settled, once and for all, the legal debate on (1) the qualification of the crime that was committed in Rwanda in 1994 – it was a genocide – and (2) the group that was targeted – it was the Tutsi ethnic group.Therefore it's not Rwandan Genocide but Genocide against the tutsi in Rwanda.

https://www.un.org/africarenewal/magazine/april-2021/remembering-genocide-against-tutsi-rwanda-27-years-later Sage2024 (talk) 18:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. See the previous discussion on this topic for the community's views, in particular policy regarding WP:COMMONNAME. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2024[edit]

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Umwana250 (talk) 11:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to add accurate information about the Genocide Against the Tutsi in Rwanda

Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 11:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2024[edit]

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"Change Rwandan genocide to The 1994 genocide against the tutsi" Y3rash (talk) 06:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 06:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For further context, this has been disputed before. I think a formal RfC should be requested if a change such as this is sought. -Indy beetle (talk) 09:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]