Talk:Horse colic

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Copyright Issue?[edit]

This is a copyrighted article, as it was originally all in HTML. I couldn't find anything on the internet, but a few others might want to try some searches to see if they can find any substantial hits. --Wolf530 00:12, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

Correction[edit]

It's Parascaris equorum, not Parascarus equorum.In alternative it can be called Ascaris equorum so the correct nomenclature is Parascaris (=Ascaris) equorum. Try search one and another in any search engine and you'll see what I mean.

Important Correction[edit]

Horses rolling do not cause displacements or torsions. It is the displacement or torsion that causes the rolling. This is now an area which equine vets do not even debate and so I as an equine vet myself I have amended that paragraph! A lot of the rest of this article needs a good sort out as well but this is a very fundamental error.

Fresh green grass[edit]

Last edit in an irrelevant place. However, anecdotally, "FGG" is seen as a cause of spasmodic colic there, so I moved it across.
Dlh-stablelights 12:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Restructure types[edit]

Listed under types of colic are several parasitic causes, but these are not really types of colic, but reasons for a colic occuring. For example, tapeworms (Anoplocephala perfoliata) are a predisposing factor to ileo-caecal intussusception, roundworms predispose to small intestinal intussusception. I would propose that these parasites are listed as possible causes under these specific types of colic, rather than as a type of colic themselves. Any disagreements? Alsiola vet (talk) 02:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Better wording is always good. Go for it! Montanabw^(talk) 06:20, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the support. I think it will be a reasonably large change to make, so I've created a new user page here to get it all structured and layed out properly before committing it to the actual page. I have already a draft classification structure there, so any comments on that would be great.Alsiola vet (talk) 21:56, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Go bug Getwood and Joel Mills, they are the wikiproject vet folks! They can tell you if you are on the right track. Be sure to wikilink everything you can (within reason and the guidelines, of course) One thing I DO recommend is to footnote extensively as you go, far easier than doing it later when people start challenging your material. You have some refs, but for GA standard they have a somewhat silly but nearly impossible to challenge informal rule that every paragraph should have a cite. See Gelding as an example of an article that is almost but not quite ready to go for GA status. Montanabw^(talk) 03:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article improvement[edit]

Creating a section here to discuss article improvement. User:Eventer asked at my talk page if the article is getting too long and if it should be split. My thinking, upon review, is no. However, the TOC (table of contents) is getting a bit unwieldy, and I'm wondering if it would work to put all the different types of colic into a chart instead of under separate subheadings. For a chart design, I'm thinking maybe one similar to these examples:Rainbow_trout#Subspecies, Appaloosa#Color_and_spotting_patterns, or maybe one of the featured lists. Montanabw ^(talk) 19:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Meaning = "aborad"[edit]

Can any one figure what does "aborad" mean in the following: "Coastal bermuda hay is associated with impactions in this most aborad segment of the small intestine."GinAndChronically (talk) 15:42, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Eventer: Looks like we have a typo or something in need of a wikilink. Help?? Montanabw ^(talk) 04:16, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It did come up with my search of typos of "aboard" and "abroad" but I seriously doubt that easy an explanation.GinAndChronically (talk) 05:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Could be a typo, but I want Eventer to check, "abroad" doesn't seem to fit the context, either. Montanabw ^(talk) 07:03, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was not saying that those could be possibilities but only how it was found by transposing letter according to how they are on the qwerty board.GinAndChronically (talk) 10:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

aborad ab·o·rad (āb-ôr'ād) or ab·o·ral (āb-ôr'əl) ; adj. = "In a direction away from the mouth". http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/aborad GinAndChronically (talk) 10:07, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll bet that's it. Can you wikilink to the anatomical terminology article? Montanabw ^(talk) 01:47, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is it. Perhaps it would be easier to understand if we used the term "distal"? Eventer (talk) 02:47, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Would look like less of a typo. Or educate the reader by wikilinking to Anatomical terms of location. Montanabw ^(talk) 21:29, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pelvic flexures[edit]

@Montanabw: Is there a difference between pelvic flexures and colic flexures? – wbm1058 (talk) 14:26, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Wbm1058:: Good question and I am not sure. Maybe post the question at WP Veterinary medicine. All I know is that those spots in the large colon are a common site for certain types of colic in horses. Montanabw^(talk) 20:01, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Montanabw: There is a helpful diagram on page 414 this anatomy book^[1] (which is a previewable page on Google Books) where you can see the carnivore and horse large intestines compared. To me, it looks like the two sets of large intestines aren't really directly comparable in terms of nomenclature. Take a look and see what you think. DferDaisy ([[User talk:

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References

^ Colville, TP; Bassert, JM (2015). "Chapter 16: Digestive system". Clinical anatomy and physiology for veterinary technicians (3rd ed.). Elsevier Health Sciences. p. 414. ISBN 9780323356206.

Thanks for the info. I'm guessing, then, that the answer is "yes, there is a difference." @Wbm1058: thoughts? Montanabw^(talk) 23:39, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's coverage of the anatomy and diseases of other species is poor. Contrast with the extensive coverage of human anatomy and diseases. Colic is just a word meaning, "relating to the colon", but usually it refers to some pain or disease. Pelvic just means "relating to the pelvic region" of the body. Note that our article on the topic doesn't mention horses' pelvic regions. So, a "pelvic flexure" in a horse would just be a bend in the colon in the pelvic region of the horses' body; in other words a pelvic colic flexure. Rather than link to human-centric articles on the topic, I'd just try to add more to this article describing horse colons because they aren't discussed in detail elsewhere on Wikipedia, unless I'm missing something. – wbm1058 (talk) 00:10, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wbm1058 It’s a matter of (brace for groaner metaphor) horses to pull the wagon. WP Vet med was inactive for awhile but DferDaisy and some others are getting it going again. In cases where a condition or disease is similar in humans and animals, I don’t think there is a one-size-fits-all answer. Sometimes, as here, separate articles are appropriate, but other times, a simple section on anything unique to non-humans would be easy enough to add to an existing article (for example, navicular bone or clubfoot). I it really would be overwhelming to do separate articles on, say, the scapula of every separate species of animal — but at any rate all help that is good quality is very much welcomed. Montanabw^(talk) 03:33, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Useful if formatted[edit]

This edit contained useful (if somewhat outdated) information, but the citation format is incorrect for WP and incomplete, to boot. Would benefit from a good copyedit for encyclopedic tone, too. But if someone — including the editor who wrote this — is willing to do this right, I’m keeping it here for future improvement. Montanabw^(talk) 05:01, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In order to prevent colic it is important to know that there are several risk factors associated with colic in horses, both non-nutrition and nutritional related. The nutritional risk factors highlighted are type and amount of feed, feeding practices (frequency and number of feedings per day), watering practices and also, changes in feeding- and watering practices. One of the main risk factors associated with colic is the amount of concentrate fed daily and the risk is highest when feeding >1,8kg/ day and that horses (Traub-Dargatz et al., 2001; Tinker et al., 1997; Hillyer et al., 2002) compared to horses fed <1,8 kg/ day and having a high amount of forage included in the diet. Also, feeding specific types of concentrate as oats and corn is associated with an increased risk (Reeves et al., 1996; Tinker et al., 1997; Cohen et al., 1999; Hudson et al., 2001;Traub-Dargatz et al., 2001; Kaya et al,. 2009). At the same time feeding forage is associated with a decreased risk for colic (Cohen et al. (1999, Hudson et al. (2001). Diet changes, in both type and amount of feed, have been shown to be one of the main factors associated with presence of colic (Cohen & Peloso, 1996; Tinker et al., 1997; Cohen & Gibbs, 1999; Hudson et al., 2001; Hillyer et al., 2001). High-starch diets and abrupt dietary changes are probably the most important risk factors for diet-associated colic in the horse, due to their disruption of the stability of microbial populations’ resident within the equine hindgut (Durham, 2009). Changes in the diet, especially introduction of high-starch cereal grains to the feed ration, result in changes in the microbial population inhabiting the function of the GI tract (Bailey et al., 2003; de Fombelle et al., 2003; Berg et al., 2005; Varloud et al. 2007) especially if the change has been made rapidly (de Fombelle et al., 2001; Cohen and Peloso (1996); Cohen and Gibbs (1999 ; Tinker et al. (1997).

[Colville_2015-1] Colville, TP; Bassert, JM (2015). "Chapter 16: Digestive system". Clinical anatomy and physiology for veterinary technicians (3rd ed.). Elsevier Health Sciences. p. 414. ISBN 9780323356206.

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