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2022 and 2023 Kentucky Derby. My Old Kentucky Home[edit]
See: Talk:My Old Kentucky Home.
See the section about the May 7, 2022 Kentucky Derby. It is about the song My Old Kentucky Home being in the news in a big way concerning the Derby.
I searched these archives: Talk:Kentucky Derby. I did not see any mention of the song or its author, Stephen Foster. --Timeshifter (talk) 02:57, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- They sang it at the race. I heard while watching the broadcast that a-lot of fans in the audience complained about the tradition being dropped. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:54, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
There is more discussion here: Talk:My Old Kentucky Home#Page Updates and the following sections. For example (emphasis added):
The scholarship on this song is settled that "My Old Kentucky Home" originated as a sentimental minstrel song in the vein of "Old Folks at Home" or "Old Black Joe." These were minstrel songs that removed much of the overt racist imagery and sounds (e.g., dialect) to appeal to white middle class audiences. Contemporary scholarship (particularly the work of historian Emily Bingham) also supports the claim that the song experienced its greatest renaissance during the Jim Crow era as a means of reinscribing a "Southern" image of Kentucky's past. The article as it currently exists downplays the racist history of this song by denying its origin in blackface minstrel music and ignoring the widespread mobilization of the song to portray a romanticized vision of the antebellum South around the turn of the 20th century. I primarily cited secondary literature by historians and musicologists, who provide contemporary primary sources in their work. However, any prose or citations that I've included to support this argument, including those citations of contemporary primary sources, have been removed to preserve a false history that this song's historical legacy is primarily located in an abolitionist history. That is simply not borne out in the scholarly literature. |
This is important info in light of recent efforts by some state leaders in various states to censor some info on slavery and racism in school curriculum, and libraries. And to paint slavery as not being that bad.
The controversy over the song at the 2022 Kentucky Derby continued at the 2023 one:
- Controversy continues as ‘My Old Kentucky Home’ tradition rolls on at Derby. April 30, 2023. WAVE (TV).
Emily Bingham, author of the book "My Old Kentucky Home. The Astonishing Life and Reckoning of an Iconic American Song", is also in that news clip. --Timeshifter (talk) 18:37, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Invite to join the Derby 150 article development and backlog drive (relevant article)[edit]
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Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 17:08, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Lead development[edit]
I am confused by the line in the lead, "The race is run by three-year-old Thoroughbreds at a distance of 1 +1⁄4 miles (10 furlongs; 2,012 metres), the first time horses in the field race that distance." I don't know enough about this statement to make a change, but it looks like they are saying no 3 year old would have ever raced a distance of 1 1/4 miles. How would you guarantee that? StarHOG (Talk) 00:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have reviewed this. During a rework of the lead in May 2023, that clause was added but no citation was given for it. Without support from a reliable source, I have removed it. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 18:10, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Dates[edit]
The horseraces infobox that's used on this article should include spaces for the last race and the upcoming race, like they have for seasons in the sports league infobox. And it should include spaces for the dates of the last race and the upcoming race, like they have in the holiday infobox. I suggest we put the dates with the links to the articles for the last and upcoming races. I'd make that change myself, but it's extended-confirmed-protected. - Burner89751654 (talk) 18:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- This has crossed my mind as well. I have endorsed your idea over there, and if there are no objections there , I have the access and knowledge to implement the ideas. Let's see if there are any other responses for a while and then I'll proceed. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 19:14, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Most Exciting Two Minutes or Fastest Two Minutes?[edit]
There is reference to both of these titles in the introduction.
It seems the references stem from legendary sportswriter Grantland Rice's description of the event: "In 1935, legendary Tennessee-born sports writer Grantland Rice described the race. "Those two minutes and a second or so of derby running carry more emotional thrills, per second, than anything sport can show," he said. That phrase has since been shortened to describe the Kentucky Derby as 'the most exciting two minutes in sports.'" (trying to find original source)
I think "Fastest Two Minutes" references may just be incorrect nods to the "Most Exciting Two Minutes." "Fasest.." to me doesn't make sense, since 120 seconds is 120 seconds. The quote is meant to capture how much action is packed into that small window, I think. I'd like to consider removing the latter reference, or at least trying to better source its provenance. Sawitontwitter (talk) 15:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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