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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the 18th-century Indian automaton Tipu's Tiger (pictured) shows a near life-size European being mauled by a tiger, and emits wails and grunts as well as containing a pipe organ?

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Derivatives[edit]

There is an interesting modern derivative sculpture on display in the New Forest, perhaps someone can track down a CC-BY-SA photo? This shot is NC only: http://www.flickr.com/photos/that_james/4922874585/ Fæ (talk) 05:45, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Have sent a Flickr mail request to the author. It will be wonderful if he obliges. AshLin (talk) 07:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, we will need to look elsewhere. AshLin (talk) 15:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tipu the Tiger ride on suitcase for children seems a direct modern derivative that might be worth a photo - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Trunki-Tipu-Tiger-Ride-on-Suitcase-Limited-Edition-/220788816816?&hash=item336809fbb0 Fæ (talk) 06:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a need for an article on Tipu's association with Tigers in general aside from this particular object (Tipu's Tiger). An image of this suitcase would be suitable in that wcontext rather than Tipu's Tiger per se. AshLin (talk) 07:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fae, Stronge has an image of a modern recreation in painted metal by an American sculptor. Can't remember the name. The V&A also do a Tipu phone app, including the noises. Johnbod (talk) 16:52, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, Stronge's book has a photo of the pottery figure version "The Death of 'Munrow', perhaps this would be another on the list to track down or get an official photo released (Stronge, p.87). Lots of scope here to do a split later on for all the significant derivatives. I thought about the phone app on Saturday, though this is more of a copyright nightmare, I doubt we would get a image of the app in action even though we might get permission for the images/audio/video it presents; however I think it is worth mentioning in the article, it supports the premise that this is a primary artefact for the V&A. Fæ (talk) 17:12, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There's full page photo of the metal sculpture in there too. Johnbod (talk) 17:15, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes, I chuckled over that one at the weekend too. It is "Rabbit eating Astronaut" by Bill Reid, 2004 (Stronge, p.89). See beebomb.com for the exact same photograph as the book uses. If this is on display in the V&A then we can use FoP to create our own image as it can be claimed as a 3D work of art (work of artistic craftsmanship) in a public place. Another one for the checklist. Fæ (talk) 17:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think they have it. Johnbod (talk) 19:33, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have dropped Bill Reid a note to see if he might be prepared to release the same photo that Stronge used in her book on a free license. Cheers Fæ (talk) 21:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He died a few years back (according to WP)! I've added it with the flickr in the refs, but its a great image. Johnbod (talk) 21:32, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, my slip is showing; well the website manager then (let's hope there is someone representing his estate that picks up on feedback). Fortunately the note was not specifically addressed. Fæ (talk) 21:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good news! There was some confusion over Bill Reid(s) - this Bill is around and wrote back to me prepared to share some photos. I have added the one Stronge references in her book, though another of a Bunny eating an Astronomer is also available at Commons:Category:Metal sculptures by Bill Reid. Fæ (talk) 22:34, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Great stuff! It did look a bit different from "his" other work! Johnbod (talk) 23:58, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For the New Forest image, I've left a request on ThatPeskyCommoner's talk page as they live down that way. —Tom Morris (talk) 07:17, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone contacted Whyman? email address at bottom of text Chaosdruid (talk) 07:02, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Phrasing Issue[edit]

Currently, the article reads "The tiger was discovered in his summer palace after East India Company troops stormed Tipu's capital in 1799." I think there's a problem with simply saying "was discovered". Maybe the assumption is inherently "was discovered [by the East India Company]", but "discovered" on its own is an embarrassingly biased remnant of a Eurocentric worldview that isn't appropriate in an objective discussion. Obviously, the people who made it and were in possession of it immediately prior to the 1799 seizure of the capital were aware of its existence. 50.8.125.13 (talk) 03:04, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Article's Name Falsification[edit]

Why is this article titled "Tipu's Tiger" when just about every source calls it "Tippoo's Tiger"? Wikipedia POV Wokery? The shameless fakery in this article even goes as far as faking reference titles. The V&A article that is here altered to be "Tipu's Tiger Sound and Movement animation" is actually titled "Tippoo's Tiger". We do not have the right to rename art objects to suit the contemporary agendas of Wikipedia editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.103.192.115 (talk) 02:08, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]