Talk:Wong Fei-hung

Common mistakes

There were some (unfortunately) very common mistakes in the original draft of this entry. Wong Fei Hungs' history, like many real life heroes of martial arts in China, has become a synthesis of both fact and fiction. In such cases it is sometimes difficult to discern what was reality and what is legend or folk tale.

The internet is full of such misinformation, passing along popular myths as if they were concrete facts. I have corrected the glaring errors and as a Hung Gar (Wong fei Hungs style of martial arts) Sifu and avid researcher on Si Tai Tai Gung (Great Grandmaster) Wong for the past 18 years My corrections are true to the best of my knowledge.

Well, it is not about internet. Those common mistakes are indeed very common, they exists much earlier than the internet itself. I am quite surprising to know that Wong is NOT one of the ten tigers --- I was told that more than ten years ago, long before internet becomes common.

I would suggest that the legends of Wong Fei Hung, as opposed to the small factual knowledge, are worthy of documentation in this article, perhaps under a subheading?

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I read once in an Indonesian forum that cited that Wong Fei Hung is a Moslem. I find this very hard to believe and quite impossible. Does anybody have a source regarding his religion or if he is indeed a Moslem. If he were a Moslem, it would be worthwhile to include that in the article.

Regarding possible Moslem origins, I could not say, except to point out that there is a centuries old mosque in Canton, the Great Mosque of Guangzhou, built in the Tang Dynasty. Baritsumaster 18:37, 20 April 2007 (UTC) -Will

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How about standardizing the Romanization of his name (always an issue when writing on Asian subjects)? We've got it three different ways in this short article, by my count. I guess it would make sense to go with the one used in the article title (Wong Fei Hung), although my personal preference, for no good reason, is Wong Fei-hung. I'll guess I'll just go ahead and do it and any other Wikipedists who disagree can do their thing.

I'm also changing "over 100 films" to "roughly 100 films," since various sources disagree on the exact number, with some of the more careful sources giving a ninety-something count.

I'm an excited newcomer here and I hope no one minds my running around scribbling on the articles about my favorite subjects, which include Hong Kong cinema. I guess that's what we're here for, though.

-Michael

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Wasn't Wong Fei-hong born in 1856 and then died in 1925?

Also, it had been confirmed by Chinese historians and Wong's family that the [Shadowless kick] was in fact a trick that he developed that uses quick fist oriented attacks to distract the opponent and then the actual kick being a tricky blow to the distracted opponent's lower body half. So in essence the 'trick' should be retranslated to the 'Unforseen kick'.

-GK

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It's Huang Fei Hung, not Wong Fei Hung. Wong is a totally different last name from Huang.

Huang is the Chinese hanyu pinyin translation. Wong is the same as Huang. --mh 14:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Yup, Huang Fei Hong (Mandarin) = Wong Fei Hung (Cantonese) Darnold01 08:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

The Chinese Robin Hood?

NOTE: Wong Fei-Hung is NOT the chinese version of robin hood. He was NEVER a thief. whoops i'm stupid

-Jim

I think 'Jim' (please, sign your comments) makes a very good point. I don't recall the real Wong Fei-hung ever stealing anything from anyone. In fiction, Iron Monkey is the closest 'popular' character/person I can think of who could possibly be compared to a "Chinese Robin Hood". But not Wong Fei-hung. Maybe this comparison to Robin Hood and mention in the article should be considered for removal. Darnold01 19:26, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Removed that Wong is "often described as the 'Chinese Robin Hood'". No where, except related sites that get their information from Wikipedia, is he "often described" as a thief. Darnold01 18:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

pictures

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Who is the father of Wong Fei Hung?

I'm confused. In third paragraph, it was said: " When Huang Feihong was six years, he started to study Wushu under his father Huang Qi. "

And then, in sixth paragraf, it was said" "... a group to which his father Wong Kei-Ying belonged."

Hence, which one is the correct one, the name of the father was Huang Qi or Wong Kei Ying? Was that caused by spelling problem? Kunderemp 13:52, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Cantonese Wong is spelled Huang in Mandarin, and likewise Kei is spelled Qi. Since this is a Cantonese person, I suggest to stick with Cantonese spelling. Put pinyin in parenthsis if needed. Kowloonese 20:38, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

I guess the guy that wrote Huang Qi missed the last character, Ying.

What is Douzhixiang?

In 'Early Years', Wong presented a wushu demonstration program in "Douzhixiang, Foshan". What's Douzhixiang? Is that a district or some specific location (square, restaurant, etc) within the city of Foshan? Darnold01 19:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Cleaned Up Intro Paragraphs And 'Early Years'

Actually, the whole article needs a serious cleanup. For now, I just worked on the introductory paragraphs and Early Years. Along with grammar and spelling changes to make the sentences flow better, I added, removed and changed Wikipedia links. If I'm not mistaken a Wiki editing convention is to link the first mention of a word instead of later or all of them. That's why the link to 'Fosham' for example is made in just the first mention and removed in the later ones that I edited.

Portrayal In Modern Media looks fine, but As A Martial Artist and especially Later Years need work. One problem, though, that proper personal names in this article are in Cantonese romanization (Jyutping) instead of Mandarin (Hanyu Pinyin), as it should be -- 'Wong Fei Hung' instead of 'Huang Fei Hong', for example. This while proper place names like Chinese cities and provinces are and should be in pinyin. The problem with Later Years is that Mandarin names Wu Quanmei and Liu Yongfu break this convention and I don't know how to write them in Cantonese. And what the hell is "Jiming" anyway?

Wong Fei Hung deserves more respect and his Wiki article deserves more attention than it's been given. A lot of this info -- incorrect and/or 'sloppy' -- about him is being copied and perpetuated by other websites. Please, help clean it up.

For my own use, if someone can post a link to a good online Hanyu Pinyin/Wade-Giles/Jyutping conversion table, I'd be so grateful. Darnold01 20:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

"...helped him become a master of Hung Gar." The Hung Gar style isn't named after Wong Fei Hung? So this sentece should be: "...helped him become a master in the style that was later known as Hung Gar." NemethE 12:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Movies

It is virtualy impossible to list the movies Wong Fei Hung has been in, as he is like a Chinese version of Dracula (number of movies that is), in fact he probably has more movies. It's in the Guiness book of Records. Dessydes 22:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, here's 69 of them. If you think an incomplete list of films is worth adding to the article, go ahead. More could always be added later if found. Plus we could still have the additional detail of specific films, perhaps in a separate section at the end.

• Once Upon a Time in China & America (1997)
• Drunken Master II (1994)
• Once Upon a Time in China 5 (1994)
• Iron Monkey (1993)
• Last Hero in China (1993)
• Once Upon a Time in China 4 (1993)
• Once Upon a Time in China 3 (1993)
• Once Upon a Time in China 2 (1992)
• Once Upon a Time in China (1991)
• Millionaire's Express (1986)
• Dreadnought (1981)
• Martial Club (1981)
• Magnificent Kick (1980)
• Butcher Wing (1979)
• Magnificent Butcher (1979)
• Drunken Master (1978)
• Challenge of the Masters (1976)
• The Skyhawk (1974)
• Wong Fei Hung: Bravely Crushing the Fire Formation (1970)
• Wong Fei Hung in Sulphur Valley (1969)
• Wong Fei Hung's Combat with the Five Wolves (1969)
• Wong Fei Hung: The Conquerer of the 'Sam-hong Gang' (1969)
• Wong Fei Hung: The Duel foe the 'Sha-yu-qing' (1969)
• Wong Fei Hung: Duel for the Championship (1968)
• Wong Fei Hung: The Duel Against the Black Rascal (1968)
• Wong Fei Hung: The Eight Bandits (1968)
• Wong Fei Hung: The Invincible 'Lion Dancer' (1968)
• Wong Fei Hung: The Incredible Success in Canton (1968)
• Wong Fei Hung Meeting the Heroes with the Tiger Paw (1967)
• How Wong Fei Hung Smashed the Five Tigers (1961)
• Wong Fei Hung's Battle with the Gorilla (1960)
• Wong Fei Hung's Combat in the Boxing Ring (1960)
• How Wong Fei Hung Defeated the Tiger on the Opera Stage (1959)
• Wong Fei Hung Trapped in the Hell (1959)
• The White Lady's Reincarnation (1959)
• Wong Fei Hung on Rainbow Bridge (1959)
• Wong Fei Hung Saves the Kidnapped Liang Kuan (1958)
• How Wong Fei Hung Used an Iron-Fowl Against the Eagle (1958)
• Wong Fei Hung Gets Rid of the Three Rascals (1958)
• Wong Fei Hung's Victory at Ma Village (1958)
• Wong Fei Hung's Battle with the Bullies in the Boxing Ring (1958)
• Wong Fei-hung Goes to a Birthday Party at Guanshan (1956)
• Wong Fei-hung's Battle at Mount Goddess of Mercy (1956)
• Wong Fei-hung's Pilgrimage to Goddess of Sea Temple (1956)
• Wong Fei-hung Rescues the Fishmonger (1956)
• How Wong Fei-hung Vanquished the Bully at the Red Opera Float (1956)
• Wong Fei-hung's Victory at Xiao Beijiang (1956)
• How Wong Fei-hung Vanquished the Ferocious Dog in Shamian (1956)
• How Wong Fei-hung Thrice Captured Sp Shu-lim in the Water (1956)
• Wong Fei-hung Wins the Dragon Boat Race (1956)
• Wong Fei-hung's Story: Iron Cock against Centipede (1956)
• How Wong Fei-hung Pitted a Lion against the Unicorn (1956)
• How Wong Fei-hung Subdued the Two Tigers (1956)
• How Wong Fei-hung Vanquished Twelve Lions (1956)
• Wong Fei-hung's Seven Battles with Fiery Unicorn (1956)
• How Wong Fei-hung Saved the Dragon's Mother (1956)
• How Wong Fei-hung Thrice Tricked the Lady Security Escort (1956)
• How Wong Fei-hung Fought Five Dragons Single-Handedly (1956)
• How Wong Fei-hung Pitted Seven Lions against the Gold Dragon (1956)
• Wong Fei-hung and the Lantern Festival Disturbance (1956)
• Wong Fei-hung's Battle at Shuangmendi (1956)
• Wong Fei-hung and the Courtesan's Boat Argument (1956)
• How Wong Fei-hung Set Fire to Dashatou (1956)
• Wong Fei-hung's Fight in Foshan (1956)
• Wong Fei-hung at a Boxing Match (1956)
• How Wong Fei-hung Vanquished the Bully at a Long Dike (1955)
• Wong Fei-hung's Victory at the Sipai Lou (1955)
• Wong Fei-hung's Rival for the Fireworks (1955)
• The True Story of Wong Fei-hung (1955)

I'm not sure how much I want to see the film Iron Cock against Centipede, though! Gram 15:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, doing a search on iMDb for Hung Fei-hong gives slightly different translations, so it's Iron Rooster Versus Centipede. The search gave 87 films and of course that doesn't include films about Wong Fei Hung that don't have his name in the title (e.g. Once Upon a Time in China, Magnificent Butcher, Drunken Master etc). Here's a link to the search results: http://www.imdb.com/find?s=all&q=Huang+Fei-hong

Gram 15:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I have compiled a list of 102 Wong Fei Hung films, consisting of those from iMDb and those in the above list, with any aka's. The list is not necessarily complete, but it is a good start. I will create a new article for the list and link it within the "Films" section of this article. Gram 14:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

An interesting note: while the historical Wong Fei-Hung supposedly fought Japanese in Taiwan, none of the movies about him has prominently featured Japanese as villains. The foreign villains in the movies are usually Westerners (especially Americans and British - which is even more interesting because Hong Kong was a British colony when most of the those movies were made.) This is interesting because Chinese movies (especially Hong Kong movies) love to vilify Japanese (a traditional blood enemy of the Chinese people,) but the most well-known movie figure who had actually fought Japanese in his lifetime has never fought Japanese in any of the movies about him.

Primary sources

I wish to know what primary sources are being used for this article. Facts about Wong Fei Hung are notiously hard to pin down, and that it's impossible to get the OUATIC2 ending theme.Baritsumaster 18:28, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

On the General's Orders

A Creative Commons version of the "On the General's Orders" would be appropriate for this page. Disclosure: I put this version together, so it is not appropriate for me to add this to the article.

http://aprigliano.blogspot.com/2007/06/on-generals-orders-wong-fei-hung-theme.html

I think it is under,not on Toh Yu Heng (talk) 10:23, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Dates of Birth and Death

The listed birth and death dates are 9th July 1847 - 25th March 1924, however the text states that the death date is specifically the 25th day of the 3rd month of the lunar year. Since the Chinese Lunar year started on 5th February in 1924, shouldn't his date of death be 24th May 1924 in the Gregorian Calendar? While there's some ambiguity about the birth date exact timing, I don't think there is about his death. I propose removing the listed dates at the top of the text, but leaving the dates in the text. Oni no Akuma (talk) 10:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Authoritative Sources of Information?

Are there any contemporary sources on Wong Feihung, or writings about him by historians? Everything that I've read about him seems to be based on movies about him, or things that someone's Hung Gar Sifu told them. If he was as significant figure as he is made out to be you would expect him to show up somewhere in the historical record. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.234.136.14 (talk) 01:00, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Revolutionary

At the start of this article he is called a revolutionary, yet no further mention is made of this. I know what the movies say about it but could someone please add some facts about this aspect of his life. - 130.194.76.210 (talk) 01:29, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

died of "excessive seating" can't be right

There's a recognized condition call "excessive sweating" but I'm no doctor or historian. Somebody oughta edit it, but I'd just be guessing if I did it. Does anybody really know what the guy actually died of??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.216.194 (talk) 09:07, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Here's a hypothetical view on what exactly happened. A certain IP user 115.135.236.175 made this edit on 9 February, which I suspected to be an act of vandalism. Two days later, another IP user 97.92.93.5 attempted to correct the mistake done by the previous editor as shown here, but missed out the part about "excessive seating". And then on 12 February I reverted the page back to its original state. Lonelydarksky (暗無天日) _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:38, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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Wrong death date or wrong reason?

The article gives his death date as March 25, 1924. However the given reason is depression and resulting illness, following the destruction of his clinic in late 1924 - by which he was, according to death date, already dead for months. I know there can be calendar issues but the uprising in which the clinic was said to be destroyed has a more or less known timeframe. So either his death date is wrong or the given reason has some error, or is totally wrong. ...GELongstreet (talk) 20:31, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the error. The mistake has been corrected based on information from a website of a museum about WFH in Foshan. LDS _{contact me} 15:49, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Wrong name

Is the name Wong Fei Hong?I think it is Toh Yu Heng (talk) 10:22, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Question regarding the name.

I think it is wong fei hong. Toh Yu Heng (talk) 11:28, 4 May 2020 (UTC)