Talk:Warren County, Indiana

Grammar

This is a featured article, and there's a grammatical error in the very first sentence. Who grades these articles anyway? Featured article according to whom? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.102.253.130 (talk) 03:27, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Please don't assume bad faith. The edit was made today, not the day the article was promoted as featured article. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Agreed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Puro spana (talk • contribs) 07:26, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

No bad faith intended. While this is a good, detailed article that is generally well written, there is nothing particularly special about it. In fact, I noticed that some of the sentences were grammatically cleaned up and paraphrased before appearing as the featured article on WP home page. Also, the "Government" section doesn't really describe local government in Warren county, more Indiana county government structure. It's a legitimate question: Who grades and gets to decide what gets featured article status? In my experience, I have seen shoddy articles graded high and blindingly good ones rated low. It's all subjective, but there is a lot of disparity out there, and this article itself illustrates the problem somewhat. I would give it a firm and well deserved B. Not FA top-notch diamond standard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.121.24.190 (talk) 05:55, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

No, it's not all subjective -- there are many criteria against which candidates for FA are reviewed. Note too that it's normal for any article to continue to be edited regardless of its status: no article is ever truly finished. (As for the government section, it does describe the government of the county, which necessarily is that of an Indiana county.) If you have questions or concerns about the FA process, you might want to raise them here; if you feel there are things in the article itself that should be changed, then change them. Huwmanbeing ☀★ 12:04, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

I neglected to add that I admire the dedication of the primary author of this article. Clearly a labor of love and highly commendable given the relatively minor status of Warren county on the encyclopedic scale. It's not my objective to detract from the wonderful and selfless work done on the article.

17 million bushels

I came to the main page about an hour ago to find "17 million bushels" staring out at me ... 17 million ... what? How does and article get to FA status whilst riddled with such units unconverted. We should not expect readers to understand what a bushel is. Of course it's a bit late now to fix the main page but this article still needs work. However, the question still remains: "17 million what?" Yes, I know a bushel is eight gallons and since it's Warren County, Indiana, I think I can safely assume it's US gallons (as opposed to imperial ones) and, of course, these would be dry gallons ... but wait ... it's corn, right. Isn't a corn bushel 56 pounds? So which bushel is it, the eight-US-dry-gallon one or the 56-pound one? And we're sticking this on the main page ... JIMp _talk·cont 01:01, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

There is a single paragraph with two "bushel" references, along with two related "bushels per acre" references; the article is hardly "riddled" with unconverted units. I agree these units needed conversion, and that has been done. Every featured article could use some minor improvements; no article is ever "finished". Omnedon (talk) 18:50, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Township table

This nice article is missing a tabular overview of the 12 townships, with area, population, etc. Here is a first draft:

Township	established year	Area m²	Population 2010	Places (incorporated)
Adams	1848	70,010,546	561	Pine Village
Jordan	1850	104,933,249	254	Hedrick, Pence, Stewart
...	...	...	...	..., ...
...	...	...	...	..., ...
...	...	...	...	..., ...
Warren County	1827	949,489,941	8419

Before I finish it all, I'd like some input as to its contents:

1. The original area figures of the American FactFinder Census Pages are in square meters. Is that too much precision? Are hectares, or square kilometers (with two decimal points) prefarable?
2. Althouth the original area figures are only metric, are imperial units (e.g. acres or square miles) also needed? In a table, this is redundant information, isn't it?
3. The original area figures are also broken down by land area and water area (in square meters). Should these be added to the table?
4. Should the extinct places put in an additional column at the end of the table?
5. Anything else that should be taken in or out of the table (e.g. computed population density, historical population figures, from part of what township it was formed, etc.)?

If details are worth tabulating but too much for one table, I can also make two or three tables, like one just for historical population figures. Greetings,--Ratzer (talk) 10:10, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

This seems like a good idea. Typically the GA/FA process prefers prose to lists or tables; but in this case, the table could supplement the existing prose. Though I am all in favor of using the metric system, United States geographic articles tend to have imperial units as the primary units, with metric conversions provided; so for consistency I suppose this table should be the same. I'd suggest square miles, with square kilometers rather than hectares or square meters. Personally I wouldn't think we would need to break down water and land area in this table; that detail is available in the articles themselves. Any other thoughts? Omnedon (talk) 13:32, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Second draft:

Township	Established year	Area mi²	Area km²	Population 2010	Places (incorporated)	Extinct places
Adams	1848	27.03	70.01	561	Pine Village	Chatterton
Jordan	1850	40.53	104.98	254	Hedrick, Pence, Stewart
Kent	1864	14.10	36.51	412	State Line City
Liberty	1843	44.00	113.95	850	Carbondale, Judyville, Kramer
Medina	1827	27.15	70.33	452	Green Hill
Mound	1827	16.79	43.48	438	Foster	Baltimore
Pike	1827	17.57	45.51	1185	West Lebanon
Pine	1830	36.09	93.48	436	Rainsville	Brisco, Point Pleasant
Prairie	1864	47.80	123.81	290	Tab	Locust Grove, Walnut Grove
Steuben	1834	39.60	102.57	427	Johnsonville, Marshfield	Chesapeake, Dresser, Sloan
Warren	1827	36.42	94.33	754	Independence, Winthrop	Warrenton, Kickapoo
Washington	1830	19.51	50.53	2351	Williamsport
Warren County	1827	366.60	949.49	8419

--Ratzer (talk) 20:40, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

km² were not computed from square miles (this would yield slightly different values), but both were computed to two decimal digits from the original high precision square meter values--Ratzer (talk) 21:06, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Looks good -- nice work! Omnedon (talk) 21:19, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

So I put it in the article. Maybe a few layout adjustments are necessary (paragraph header, reference, etc.) I don't know if I will live long enough to do all counties of the United States ;-)--Ratzer (talk) 06:31, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

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