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The photo is NOT of a tree boa, someone who knows how to do it change it or delete it.

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You may mean BoA -- Henrygb 00:05, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Next time can ou sign the talk page with a ~~~~ Thanks cow_monkey111 22:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are boa constrictors dangerous to people?

Not usually but if messed with, they use their only defence. Think about if someone was messing with you,what would you do? CMonkey111 22:08, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And you weighed 500lbs, of muscle. Highlandlord 14:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Josh?[edit]

I couldn't find anything that mentioned what is "Josh" in an obviously related to snakes way. So I removed it. Add it ONLY with a link to what actually this word means in relation to Boa--ÆN↑Þƺ§®»Ŧ 23:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Move proposal[edit]

Would anyone be opposed to moving this article to "Boidae", in line with the rest of the articles in this series? --Jwinius (talk) 09:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't it be moved to Boinae, since it deals with boas, rather than Boidae (which includes pythons, erycines, etc.) Mokele (talk) 17:50, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It would be if we were following a different taxonomy, such as the one promulgated by the TIGR Reptile Database. ITIS, which is the more authoritative of the two, currently recognizes two distinct families: the Pythonidae and the Boidae, the latter of which contains two subfamilies: Boinae and Erycinae. I fixed up the Pythonidae section last year (as far as I could) and would like to do the same for the Boidae, but only if others agree. --Jwinius (talk) 21:00, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah i agree it should be like Pythonidae article and other Viperidae pages under Latin names. Marty Rockatansky (talk)

Hey, perhaps you guys would like to help out. I've proposed that 13 other Boidae articles also be moved to their Latin names, but there has been a little resistance here and there (and perhaps more to come). Basically, I used these lists -- List of boine species and subspecies and List of erycine species and subspecies -- checked all the articles for common names (31, excluding this one), found 13 candidates and left move proposals on the associated talk pages. So far there has been opposition in only two cases, but I've learned that I should wait at least three days in these matters, so that number could still grow. You could really help simply by adding your voice of support to the various move proposals. I'd certainly appreciate it. Cheers, --Jwinius (talk) 10:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If we're going with the separate-family classification, then I'm fine with the move; I'm just old-fashioned, and had always learned it as Boidae with the three sub-families. Unfortunately, I'm probably not going to be able to help out - I'm going to be out of the country for the next month getting married, then moving for PhD. Mokele (talk) 00:14, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, then I'll make it easy for you: How about a word of support here and here? :-) Cheers, --Jwinius (talk) 01:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. "Boa", not "Boidae", is the most common name. If it complicates things in terms of editing, that's just something editors need to live with; articles are named with readers and laymen in mind, not editors and specialists. Kafziel Complaint Department 07:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe instead of a move think of Boa as a common name and make it a kind of informative disambiguation page (not the usual disambig) and mention what it could mean and the classification and point to the other subfamily articles. Shyamal (talk) 07:33, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds creative, although I wouldn't really be interested in maintaining such a page. Perhaps Kafziel would like to do that. So far, I believe that the situation with Pythonidae and Python (a disambig) has worked quite well, as well as with Viperidae and Viper. --Jwinius (talk) 09:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The credibility of Wikipedia also depends upon having a consistent and well organised system of arranging articles, their names and text. AshLin (talk) 07:48, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. From the article, we can see that some species in Bolyeriidae are called Boa. So Boa is not equal to Boidae. This last one should be the taxinomic article with a explanation about the Boa word, and Boa should explain which species are concerned by the term and also describe other aspects associated to the word itself (mythology, symbols...). Regards, Hexasoft (talk) 08:48, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - a good way to clean up and make the articles consistent, dealing with both common names and binomials. Do it. Stepp-Wulf (talk) 02:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC).[reply]
  • Keeping in mind that Wikipedia's naming policy has nothing to do with uniformity (and therefore arguments regarding uniformity have no bearing on the discussion), I have yet to see anyone advance a valid argument for moving this to Boidae. Hexasoft's reasoning is sound, but he seems to be suggesting Boa be turned into a disambiguation page (as Shyamal also suggested) - not that it become a redirect to Boidae as is suggested by the move request. So those two "supports" aren't actually supporting this specific proposal at all. Kafziel Complaint Department 02:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
IMO, turning "Boa" into a normal disambiguation page would be perfect; I never suggested that it should become a redirect. For example, Python is a disambig, and so is Viper. --Jwinius (talk) 11:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Boa etymology[edit]

I'm certain that the given etymology is incorrect. Boa(s) is an Illyrian word which survives in Albanian language as Boa or Bo:l-(la). According to St. Hilarion (early christian tale), mentioned by S.Hieronymi Opera lib. iii. ep. 2, Vita Sancti Hilarionis.

cit.: "draco mirae magnitudunis quas gentili sermone Boas vocant"

meaning people called it Boa(s), also meaning that this word is unknown to latin speakers. And that it has nothing in common with the snake known as "cow-sucker", since the cow-sucker is considered be (a small) snake [hardly big enough to swallow a dove (Coleti)], whilst Boa is a mythical Dragon-Snake creature in connection with Cadmos myth who also killed a dragon-snake. While St. Hilarion is merely a christian tentative to adopt this Icon from popular myths and rituals and christianize it. St. Hilarions name is mostlikely a slight corrumpt form of older original ethnic name: Hillyrion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.114.94.14 (talk) 07:07, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While the current explanation does not have a reference and yours does sound like a plausible theory, so far it seems a bit much like original research, which is not allowed here. On the other hand, if you were to produce a reference for it (even citing one of your own peer-reviewed publications), then by all means go ahead and change the statement. --Jwinius (talk) 11:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I would kindly ask some reference to the theory that boidae derives from bos, which is clearly implausible, as bos gives bovis. And on the other hand boidae derives from boa and its tupi origin, m'bo(i)a, as in ji-boia and a handful of denominations in portugueses boiaçu, and so on. Please note the confusion could arise from the very Portugueses as cow gives indeed boi (from latin bovis) and in many denominations the "a" (and the nasal "m") from mboia is dropped. Otherwise THIS would be seem original research. Mpbb (talk) 03:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Réunion Island[edit]

I have no taxonomical reference for this, but from personal experience and local books about the fauna, I'm certain that there are no boidae on Réunion Island. Can someone knowledgeable check and eventually remove this faulty entry ? Also check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildlife_of_R%C3%A9union — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.180.198.12 (talk) 21:02, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Constriction not suffocation.[edit]

The page currently mentions boa constrictors suffocate their prey by squeezing the lungs, however recent research argues that it's actually cardiac arrest because they constrict the blood flow to the heart. I heard about it in a BBC radio podcast today, then came here to read more about it except this page mentions suffocation, so I then found these articles:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-07/tcob-csk071615.php

Cited in Popular Science as well http://www.popsci.com/finding-out-how-boa-constrictors-kill-its-not-how-you-think Jawz101 (talk) 02:19, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Taxonomy needs total overhaul[edit]

Taxonomy needs revision. See recent papers by Pyron and Wiens (2014) or the Reeder et al. (2015) article in PLoS. The recent molecular studies need to form the basis of taxonomy for boas (and other snakes and lizards), and NOT the morphology which is based on a combination of obsolete Linnean taxonomy and studies of morphology, which tend to be misled by morphological convergence. Calabaria for example is a separate lineage, not related to the other boa groups; Charina is not related to Eryx. It is simply misleading and inaccurate to continue forcing all boas into two subfamilies because that's what people have done in the past. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.74.88.213 (talk) 04:04, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Taxobox[edit]

Image caption.. Why the double entry here, ? And why the nested square braces ? 203.221.218.140 (talk) 07:53, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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