Talk:Ride of the Valkyries

In German?

How is the Ride of the Valkyries known in German? -- Itai 14:46, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Walkürenritt. I'm not German, but that is what I'm able to find using the German wikipedia and google. --hans 15:11, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I've added this to the article. -- Itai 20:44, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

"Hitler used the song in a Nazi propaganda..." Hitler the film director? :) - 212.30.203.31 19:16, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Wagner's best-known piece?

"Ride of the Valkyries (German Walkürenritt) is probably the best known piece by Richard Wagner."

The best-known piece from the Ring, maybe, but only the second-best of all his works? Surely the Bridal Chorus is his best-known piece? Eroica 15:13, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Flight of the Valkyries

My friend has a Wagner CD and claims the song is Flight of the Valkyries. Is there such a song and is it the same thing? --Phoenix Hacker 22:25, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

• My CD says "Ride". And that German word cited 11 months ago and subsequently used in the article, Walkürenritt, contains the word Ritt, which means to ride, specifically to ride a horse. "Flight of the Valkyrie" is apparently sometimes used also, since Google finds severl references, but it's the same tune, and "Ride" would appear to be the more correct translation. Wahkeenah 03:49, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Given the above, does it make sense to mention the alternate translation of the title in the Wikipedia article? I also have always heard this tune referred to as "Flight of the Valkyries," as has my wife.--68.88.195.94 17:23, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

• Are they riding, or are they flying? Wahkeenah 17:43, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Neither, the stage direction is:

The Valkyries have ensconced themselves on the rocky peak above the cave: they are in full armour

Remember, Wagner never titled the piece (to see how the piece is presented in the score: http://www.dlib.indiana.edu/variations/scores/bhr9607/large/index.html). If it has a name, it is the Vorspiel (Prelude) to Act III. When used in movies (e.g. The Blues Brothers) it is refered to as 'Ride' when acknowledged in the credits.

Who did the orchestral arrangement? It certainly wasn't Wagner. --Alexs letterbox 08:06, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

My point being that unless they are on a bunch of Pegasuses, they are, if anything, riding, not flying. "Flight" in English, when not meaning actual flying, usually means "retreat". Are they in retreat in this scene? If not, if they are just sitting on their horses and/or standing alongside them, a better title would be, "The Song of the Valkyrie", ja? I'll write to the copyright holder and see if they buy into that. :) Wahkeenah 08:15, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Errors

I fixed a few errors -- this is not an example of an aria, it's almost the opposite since it contains 8 singers trading off lines. Also, Brunnhilde does not appear until 8-9 minutes into Act III, and it's debatable whether "Ride of the Valkyries" can be said to extend to that point.

Kill The Wabbit

And who can forget that cartoons used classical music to expose the nations children to a bit of culture. Elmer Fudd singing 'Kill the wabbit... kill the wabbit', Bugs Bunny as Barber of Seville... the list goes on...

• It's cheaper to use public domain music, of course. If Rossini and Wagner had been around, they would have gotten a piece of the action. Wahkeenah 14:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

In fact, Warner cartoon music overflows with quotations from music that was then both in and out of copyright.Jim Stinson (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 20:14, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Cover version

Andy Mackay of Roxy Music does an excellent version of Ride of the Valkyries on his solo album In Search of Eddie Riff.

Pic

I realize Apocalypse Now is not the ideal source for the front-page pic, but it was currently empty and I couldn't find any classical paintings of the Valkyries. Would appreciate help from any wikipedians who can provide one. Thanks User: Alexs letterbox for fixing my first attempt. Liu Bei 06:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Song, very bad to drive to

Do we need to include a small (or whole) section of the song for reference, like oh, the US National Anthem? I have the song as I'm sure many of you do, could it be uploaded?

Also: The British motoring orginization the RAC found the Ride of the Valkyries the worst song to drive to. Is that not important in some way? Gary Jules Mad world was the best.

User:Dfrg.msc User talk:Dfrg.msc 09:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

To the first point, there is a link to Gutenberg Audio. To the second, no, it is not important, being an entirely useless piece of information I do not think it is important. --Alexs letterbox 06:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Removals

I have removed the following:

== Israel==

The song's philosophy is based on the interpretation that Nietzsche's ubermensch (or overman) is one man rather than an overall call for personal radicalism and reform. Hitler and the Nazi made this same misinterpretation, and for this reason Wagner's music and this song in particular were banned in Israel until late in the twentieth century.

== Safety ==

The British motoring organization, RAC found the Ride of the Valkyries the worst (worst being most dangerous) song to drive to in 2006.

The first is just weird, considering the song mostly contains the nonsensical words "Hojotoho!". The second simply has no place in an encyclopedia. (And the fact tag was not considered). --Alexs letterbox 22:49, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I've just removed an addition relating to the famous scene in Apocalypse Now. This is already covered in Ride of the Valkyries in popular culture, which I've made rather more prominent on this page.

Public domain?

Does anyone know for sure if this song is in the public domain? Would it be helpful to add whether or not it is to the entry?

This piece (or even more pedantically: excerpt) was written in the 19th century, and is obviously PD. It would be useless to label every piece written before the 20th century PD. --Alexs letterbox 09:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Nazi or Japanese propaganda

The article currently states that "In a Nazi propaganda film, as the background to a film displaying German planes in flight.". I've been unable to find any sources for this. However, W. Anthony Sheppard (2001). "An Exotic Enemy: Anti-Japanese Musical Propaganda in World War II Hollywood". Journal of the American Musicological Society. 54 (2): 303–357. (if you have JSTOR, it's available at [1]) states that:

In the 1942 Japanese film celebrating the attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawai Marei Oki Kaisen Kaisen (The War at Sea from Hawaii to Malaya), Wagner's 'Ride of the Valkyries' is heard as the planes release their bombs, prefiguring Apocalypse Now. See Daniels, 'Japanese Domestic Radio and Cinema Propaganda', 1937-1945, 311-12.

I believe the referenced work is part of "Film and Radio Propaganda in World War II". Anyone mind if we switch Nazi to Japanese? It'd be great if anyone had access to first sources so we can reference Daniels directly. -- Woseph 18:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Merge

While I favour the idea of an artcle based on Ride of the Valkyries in popular culture there is also a well filled section here so either that entry gets merged in here or the content here gets moved over there. As it stands that would leave this entry a little on the thin side. The bottom line is that something needs doing and the simples thing, for now, would seem to be merging the other entry into here. (Emperor 19:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC))

ROTVIPC is IMO an awful article, full of meaningless and unimportant information. However, one cannot expect great things from an article on a three minute excerpt from a four hour opera, and it does make more sense to include everything under the same banner. --Alexs letterbox 04:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I would favour removing all the popular culture stuff that's here to Ride of the Valkyries in popular culture, putting a link to the latter under a See also heading, and then removing any duplication there. That will reunite the musical examples at the bottom with the actual para about the Ride itself, reduce the number of categories here, and let people put whatever they want in the IPC article. There are plenty of precedents for having a separate popular culture article - see, for example, Beethoven's Fifth Symphony in popular culture and Johannes Brahms in film and popular culture. --GuillaumeTell 16:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I would favour this appraoch - I know from experience of other sections that such "in popular culture" sections tend to work better as a separate entity as they make the editors of the main entry less 'nervous'. Would this leave this entry too small though? Conversely looking at Symphony No. 5 (Beethoven) one could argue that there is a lot of room for expanding this entry and that the IPC material is stiffling it and moving it to its own entry will encourage people to expand it with more information. (Emperor 17:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC))

Well, Beethoven's 5th is a longer and more complex work in four movements. The Ride of the Valkyries, while somewhat longer than the 3 minutes mentioned by Alexs above, doesn't have all that much more to be said about it than there is at present. Maybe a picture of an appropriate excerpt from the score? --GuillaumeTell 22:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The length is as variable as the arranger (indeed, the morning announcer on ABC Classic FM always stops his CD at a different spot when playing this piece). I suppose I would like the popular culture section to be as far removed from the actual music as possible. --Alexs letterbox 02:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

In my recordings of Die Walküre, it takes between 7 1/2 minutes and 9 minutes. Anyway, I've now removed all the popular culture stuff to the other article, per WP:BOLD. --GuillaumeTell 15:40, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Klaipeda

I replaced "[...] he describes a series of events near Memel (now Klaipeda, the capital of Lithuania) [...]" with "[...] he describes a series of events near Memel (now Klaipeda, a coastal city of Lithuania) [...]". The capital of Lithuania is Vilnius >^_^<

Charly —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.54.164.63 (talk) 21:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Birth Of A Nation

The fact that someone used this piece, written in 1870, as a film score for a 1915 silent film is highly relevant to an article about that film. It does not, however, have anything interesting or relevant to say about the piece. Neither do the thousands of other instances where it has been used.

"In Popular culture" is not another way of saying "insert everything you know or have ever heard about this topic" - despite what some articles may seem to imply. I've removed it, but I'm happy to abide by a consensus to keep, if there is one. --Stephen Burnett 06:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

First off, this is not just one of thousands of instances in which this song was used. The Birth of a Nation is regarded as one of the most important and controversial movie in the history of american cinema, made by the most important american director from the beginning of the XX century.

Also, it's important to mention the context in which that particular song is used - In a battle of white x black. According to the movie itself, "The former enemies of North and South are united again in defense of their Aryan birthright.". The fact that Ride of the Valkyries is used when the "Aryan birthright" needs to be protected gives us an idea on how that particular song was seen by some people in the United States - As the pinnacle of "Aryan music".

So, to contradict your first paragraph, the usage of Ride in the Valkyries in The Birth of a Nation does has a lot of interesting things to say.Evenfiel 12:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry I have been a while replying.

OK - I will say right away that you have given a coherent and elegant justification of why this piece, with all of the overtones which it has, was an appropriate choice for that particular film, and why mention of that film is relevant to this article. I am not sympathetic to trivia in music articles, particularly lists of films in which a piece happens to be used as background music; you have gone beyond the level of trivia and provided a good justification of why this piece in particular was an appropriate choice to accompany it.

I am of course happy for it to go back. Rather than just the mention of "Birth Of A Nation" which you originally gave, I think it would be nice if in the article you were to expand upon the reasons which motivated the use of the piece in that particular context, as you have just done here. Many thanks. --Stephen Burnett 07:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I hope that now the text looks better. Evenfiel 18:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

That's excellent. Many thanks. --Stephen Burnett 20:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

This issue has come up again in a slightly different way. See User talk:Alexs letterbox#Ride of the Valkyries - Birth of a Nation and User talk:Evenfiel#Ride of the Valkyries - Birth of a Nation. Outside opinions would be appreciated. --Alexs letterbox 05:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I am bemused by this section. The Ride of Valkyries 'is used' by whom for the Birth of A Nation. It's a silent film. There was no official music for it as far as I am aware. The fact that some composer chose to use this in a score for the film has no relevance unless this was specifically linked to the original release of the movie. Paul B (talk) 20:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've checked and it seems that the original score is being referred to, and I was wrionmg to imply that there was no official score. It's still of mariginal relevance, and citation is needed that the score is used at this point. Paul B (talk) 20:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Many silent films were supplied with complete musical scores in full orchestral versions. Only in the last-run grind houses did unappreciated pianists improvise accompaniment on the fly.Jim Stinson (talk)

Where on earth is carmen sandiego?

If I remember correctly, The theme song to that TV show is a selection from ride of the valkyries with lyrics added.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGufyFt6zQc&feature=related

is this the case, and should it be mentioned? --72.196.0.51 (talk) 08:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It would be better on the article about the show. People there may want to know what the theme is. I don't see why people here would be particularly interested in what theme is used by something I've not even heard of.--Peter cohen (talk) 16:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, there is an 'in popular culture' section. --72.196.0.51 (talk) 18:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

In popular culture sections are contentious at best and are normally just a collection of all the useless bits of information that couldn't find a place in the rest of the article. In this case I have heard of the TV show, and I personally would not consider it an important use of the music. Regards --Alexs letterbox (talk) 00:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

• I don't really see why it shouldn't be added into the pop culture section.Metallurgist (talk) 06:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Musical Motif

Could the following idea be included? "The Valkyries ride around on horses, leaping great distances from cloud to cloud - it is this leaping that the music depicts" Lawrence18uk (talk) 21:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

It would need a quote from Wagner to justify this.--Peter cohen (talk) 22:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Category--Military marches?

Why is this under the category Military marches? It's not a march; the meter is 3, not 2 or 4. 140.147.236.194 (talk) 14:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

According to List of Marches of the British Armed Forces the Parachute Regiment uses it as their march, therefore it should be in the military marches category-User:TashkentFox 01:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Definition

Usually, Wikipedia articles start with a sentence defining the article. The first sentence of this article (as of 19th Jan 2010) is this

"The Ride of the Valkyries (German: Walkürenritt) is the popular term for the beginning of Act III of Die Walküre by Richard Wagner."

It is a poor description. It doesn't even say it is a piece of music. It could have easily be misunderstood as a novel. Or play. Or even painting (thx to the illustration). To put it simply, the first sentence makes no sense to anybody who hasn't heard of "Die Walküre" before. A better one would be something like this.

"The Waltz in D flat major, Op. 64, No. 1, popularly known as the "Minute Waltz" is a waltz for solo piano by Frédéric Chopin." -- Minute Waltz

I don't know much about the topic and is in no position to make much amendments, so I hope someone with better understanding give it a better heading. — owl order (talk) 01:01, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I've amended it to say "Die Walküre, an opera by Richard Wagner". Or it could say "the second of the four operas by Richard Wagner that comprise Der Ring des Nibelungen". --GuillaumeTell 14:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

That's a lot better. Cheers =D. — owl order (talk) 23:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, assuming that that means that you prefer the second version, I've amended it again so that it's even more explicit. You were quite right to raise this point. --GuillaumeTell 00:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Doctor Who Prom

Is this live performance sufficiently consequential to be mentioned here?
I personally am finding it farcical.
We could have a real listing of real performances by real conductors on real occasions.
To me, this belongs in Pop Cult.
Varlaam (talk) 21:29, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

"In popular culture" section

Those sections are contentious.
I'm in favour of them in general, primarily because they allow regular readers without arcane, specialist knowledge to add a sentence to Wikipedia. Better a reference to an obscure movie scene than a bit of casual vandalism, if those are the alternatives.
But with a piece as well known as this one, the section begins to constitute clutter at some point, and I feel we are past that point.
I'm in favour of having a separate page just for pop culture when the situation warrants, and I think that this is one of those occasions.
Varlaam (talk) 21:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

This entire section is completely unreferenced. I will tag it it, but as per WP:V is there any reason not to just delete it as WP:TRIVIA? - Ahunt (talk) 22:24, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

The problem with these Popular Culture sections is that they are inside-out. They are not (generally) of interest to readers of articles such as this, but might be of interest to readers of articles linked from here. Example: what is the point of mentioning Apocalypse Now here? The Apocalypse Now article is the one that points out that the music used there is The Ride of the Valkyries, and that's all that's required. --GuillaumeTell 23:43, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree with what you have said here, let's wait a few days and see if there are any other opinions expressed. - Ahunt (talk) 00:49, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I totally disagree.

We're Wagnerians; we're here for the Wagner. We wanna do the pilgrimage to Bayreuth.

But there's a learning curve. People need to start somewhere.

That guy who loves the music in Apocalypse Now because it's cool comes here and finds some article about semidemihemiquavers.

Well, that's not going to get the guy into Wagner, is it?

But if he sees a bunch of other pop. cult. crap, then that reinforces the opinion he is already forming, namely that he should check out this Wagner guy whoever the hell he is.

Right?

An encyclopedia isn't only for specialists. There are kids, teenagers, people who grew up in a cardboard box. And don't forget that English WP is the world default. Lots of people who can't find what they want in Latvian WP will be looking in English.

It is reasonable to have a lowest common denominator for those people who are not us.

Varlaam (talk) 19:44, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't buy the above. Yes, the guy (or gal) comes here because (s)he's interested in the music in Apocalypse Now and wants to know more. (S)he reads the article (which, strangely, doesn't mention semidemihemiquavers, let alone hemidemisemiquavers) and finds out more. (S)he moves on to Die Walküre or Der Ring des Nibelungen. Why would they be interested in the rest of the popcult stuff? --GuillaumeTell 00:19, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

I think User:Varlaam's comments above are a very good argument for linking articles like Apocalypse Now to this article, but not the reverse. I have no problem if popular culture uses link here, but I don't see a persuasive reason to have a long list of unreferenced popular culture uses in this article. - Ahunt (talk) 14:19, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

In reading through this weekend's edits I think it is apparent that this pop culture list is just becoming a magnet for unreferenced and non-notable additions. If there is no consensus to remove the whole list then as per WP:V it should only contain entries that are strictly referenced. Any objections to that? - Ahunt (talk) 17:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Deleted it. "Ride of the Valkyries" is so commonly used that it would be impossible to gauge what entries are "notable" and what entries aren't. --Jtalledo (talk) 16:07, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Works for me. We were getting there anyway! - Ahunt (talk) 16:20, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

We were. Onwards to the William Tell Overture! --GuillaumeTell 23:40, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Varlaam provided refs for some of them, but restored the whole section. I kept the cited ones and converted it to prose - which it should be. --Jtalledo (talk) 11:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Also worth noting: Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music/Style guidelines#Uses in popular culture. --Jtalledo (talk) 11:37, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the Blues Brothers film mention, I didn't have an issue with it. Had I not found a reference for it, I would not have kept it in the section. Still, I don't mind if it's not there either. --Jtalledo (talk) 14:52, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

The ref was a good find, but it is just that I think we have sufficient agreement above to keep the list from growing again back to the previous mess we had. Simply this piece of dramatic and copyright expired (and therefore free-to-use) music is used in thousands of films, TV shows, games, etc. We have a couple of particularly notable examples in the article and because of the volume of them the rest just aren't particularly worthy of noting. - Ahunt (talk) 14:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay. I think it can be left out of the article for now, but if anyone raises any objections, it can be up for discussion. --Jtalledo (talk) 14:59, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh absolutely - everything on Wikipedia is always up for discussion. If anyone brings it here we can come up with a new consensus to include it or exclude it. - Ahunt (talk) 15:19, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I cannot see how "Kill the Wabbit" is more notable in popular culture than The Bloes Brothers, Animal House or The Battle of Britain starring Christopher Plummer. which are the scenes that come to my miond when listening to it (that an an inexplcable urge to invade Poland for some reason)Streona (talk) 09:14, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

The problem is that being an iconic, and more importantly "public domain", piece of music, it has been used in hundreds of films, TV shows, cartoons and other media and we don't need to mention them all, as such a list would just trivia. The article used to have such a trivia list at one time, which is what started this consensus to avoid it in the future. The reference to What's Opera Doc? is probably a good mention of use of the music because the cartoon does not use the music incidentally, but is actually about Wagner and his works. If you think any of those uses you have mentioned are more important or representative than what we have, then one of those could replace an existing listing, but most of all we want to avoid an enormous trivia list. To substitute a new use for an existing one requires two things: 1. consensus here and 2. cited refs to say that the piece is used in the film, etc and hopefully something about the significance. Until you have both I will remove your uncited addition for now to prevent others from just dogpiling on more trivia once they see your unsourced entry. - Ahunt (talk) 10:34, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I have two additions to make for the "In Popular Culture" section: The films I Love You, Beth Cooper and The Blues Brothers. 65.87.57.46 (talk) 02:20, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your note here. The ones listed are particularly notable. We don't list every use as there have been thousands of uses and they just aren't notable to the history of the musical work. The ones you suggest here have been removed before as not particularly notable. - Ahunt (talk) 16:12, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Irrelevance of Daniel Bryan

Why is Daniel Bryan using this song as his entrance theme irrelevant? Millions of people watch every week Bryan making his way to the ring to this song. Plus, on the page to "The Final Countdown", it is noted that Bryan used that song as his theme. So where's the difference? --79.204.75.12 (talk) 22:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

It is unsourced trivia and not relevant to this topic. We have an established consensus to not include this sort of item, especially when not cited to reliable third party references. - Ahunt (talk) 23:12, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Source - http://www.pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/wwerawreport/article_43917.shtml - I don't believe that a dislike of such a famed piece of art being used in lowbrow professional wrestling is any reason for not including this piece of information in the article. If one were to come here, they would expect to find relevant information related to the piece. It being used as Daniel Bryan's theme song is more than trivia, it is facts attached to the life of this piece of art. That it is associated with the particular wrestler for the reasons aforementioned in the article gives more life to the universal opinion of the piece. The WWE is a huge enterprise. That this piece is used in it every week is a big deal. If a Wagner fan were to read the information with a pompous snarl, that alone is a reason to include the information. I agree with the established consensus when it comes to random nu-metal songs being used for a random wrestler, but the usage of Ride of the Valkyries in this instance is noteworthy because of it's associated imagery etc. Another source - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/471263-daniel-bryan-the-curious-case-of-the-american-dragon-in-the-wwe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.25.4 (talk) 14:18, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Even with a source it is only non-trivial to the article about Daniel Bryan, it is not relevant to this article. If you add every usage of this piece of music to this article all you would have is a trivia list and Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, we don't have lists of trivia, by policy WP:TRIVIA. - Ahunt (talk) 17:51, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Whilst I agree with your point that you cannot list every use of the piece of music, why have you bothered at all listing a section for popular culture?

Are you saying Wrestling is not popular culture? It is used on a regular basis and a majority of the people that would visit this page would have been made aware by the use of it by the WWE.

Extremely stubborn and dismissive point of view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.177.11 (talk) 14:41, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Please see the above section "In popular culture" section. If you would like to reopen this issue to create a new consensus to include this text then please feel free to do so, otherwise the existing consensus stands not to include this. - Ahunt (talk) 14:46, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

The issue is not exclusively about professional wrestling. If you look at the previous versions of the article, the section was littered with pop culture references in everything from video games and television. Almost all of them were uncited and trivial. --Jtalledo (talk) 15:38, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

The WWE has suffered - partially by its own doing - a very much beleaguered profile in the media and popular culture for many years. Nonetheless, it is an irrefutable fact that the use of "Ride of the Valkyries" has, to the minds of many, been introduced to them as a result of following the WWE in general, and Daniel Bryan in particular. The very fact that Bryan has warranted a section on this very talk page - beyond the more general discussion of of ROTV in pop. culture just above it - debating the issue of whether to include him in the popular culture section could itself be considered grounds to add him to the page. And if it's a verified third party source you're looking for, why go further than the WWE itself? The official website hosts the official video right here: http://www.wwe.com/videos/daniel-bryan-entrance-video-26131914. Morogth (talk) 22:50, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree 100% that there has been no valid reason for not including it somewhere... personally, I just think it reinforces the perception of Wikipedia editors having a God complex. Just my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.83.191 (talk) 07:21, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Rather than hurling insults at people you disagree with please read WP:AGF and WP:NPA. Wikipedia is hardly a holy book. Otherwise I still think that including this would be WP:TRIVIA. Should it be mentioned on Brian Daniels page, sure. Should it be mentioned here, no. - Ahunt (talk) 18:04, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Accuracy of the first line

"The "Ride of the Valkyries" (German: Walkürenritt or Ritt der Walküren) is the popular term for the beginning of act 3 of Die Walküre, the second of the four operas by Richard Wagner that constitute Der Ring des Nibelungen."

They're NOT the same; Wagner has, as with many an opera composer, moved things around for concert performance. This is simply inaccurate... Schissel | Sound the Note! 01:43, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Recording

I'm not sure what happened but the recording on this page claims it was recorded in 1921 by the American Symphony Orchestra. However, if you simply click on the link to the American Symphony Orchestra it states it was founded in 1962. I may be missing something but it just doesn't add up. Maxwell6299 (talk) 04:11, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

The name "American Symphony Orchestra" may have been used more than once, for quite different orchestras. Not a hard thing to imagine with such a generic name. 83.251.170.27 (talk) 11:24, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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Stub class. More discussion of the music itself would help the article. Not sure how much development is possible on this subject. IMO opera excerpts are best handled in the context of the main opera article. -- Kleinzach 05:19, 10 September 2007 (UTC) Start class, as it doesn't satisfy the Stub conditions in Wikipedia:Assessment (and indeed was destubbed by Kleinzach some time ago). As with the Bridal Chorus, I imagine that if this was deleted or merged, someone would re-invent it, and also I wonder whether this really needs to be part of the Wagner Project. At least some of us improved the article's accuracy some time ago. --GuillaumeTell 15:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC) Start class. Agree with GT that there is enough material here for Start class. Agree it needs to exist as an article as it is an obvious thing to look up. I think WP:Wagner should keep an eye on it as it is one of his two best known pieces. For improvement to B, I would expect mention of arrangements authorised by RW, indication of how often the piece is given in concert, mention of recordings. And I'm sure there must be some critical assessments available.--Peter cohen 11:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

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Notability

How notable does something have to be to include in the Outside Opera section? It seems that WP:Notable is for articles, not for entries in a small list in an article. Gah4 (talk) 02:30, 8 April 2018 (UTC) It seems that "Ride of the valkyries" caltech gets 3910 Google hits, and "ride of the valkyries" "british parachute regiment" get 230. Gah4 (talk) 02:55, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

As User:Ahunt wrote in his edit summary, the Caltech performance is an experience for very few people, so its impact is limited. However, I agree with User:Gah4 that the events currently mentioned in the article ought to be trimmed further to those which actually generated coverage that mentioned the Ride as a significant element. The current sourcing is poor, especially for What's Opera, Doc? which cites a Wikipedia mirror, a definite fail, but the others are not much better. I suggest to remove the whole section per WP:IPC. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:49, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

The piece is music is very well known and it is probably played in hundreds of places everyday, most of them not public. It may be notable enough to include playing it at CalTech dorms in the article on CalTech, but overall it is not notable to the overall history of the piece of music. Any public performance of the piece would be more notable than playing in a college dorm and it has been publicly played tens of thousands of times. We aren't going to list them all here, however. As far as Google search hits go, please see WP:GOOGLEHITS. - Ahunt (talk) 12:33, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

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