Talk:The Dinner Party

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Could probably use disambiguation here. There is a link in "Neil Simon" referring to his play "The Dinner Party" that arrives here.

Women represented in the work in the Heritage floor

I have begun adding the names of the women on the Heritage floor as these are now available at an on line database at http://www.brooklynmuseum.org/eascfa/dinner_party/heritage_floor/search.php .

So far I have competed the first ten pages. They will then need to be alphabetised and the wiki links checked to be correct. Any help appreciated. Lumos3 23:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I have been having fun researching and connecting up women and history. I have been trying to not change the spelling of the names (presumably straight from the floor itself) even if the database later says that the name was misspelled (see Fibors/Tibors, for instance).Lizbetann (talk) 03:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense. We should make note of that in the article, in that case. I'll take care of that right now. Do you want help with any part of this project? --Fullobeans (talk) 03:08, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd love to help. I don't know that I can swear to get x number of things done by y date, but I would like to chip in.Lizbetann (talk)

Dorothea von Rodde (née Schlözer) is discussed in the article on her father, August Ludwig von Schlözer. Steve James (talk) 12:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I've been leery of 2 things: 1) Starting a new article for someone who doesn't have one year and 2) Linking to an article that contains discussion about the woman represented, but isn't on that woman (Example, there is Lilliard, who is mentioned in the article on Lilliard_Edge. Just thinking out loud...Lizbetann (talk) 22:25, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I know what you mean. I did wonder with von Rodde whether it would be appropriate to create an article for her that contains the content about her which currently resides in her father's article, then delete the corresponding content for her father's article and replace it with a brief reference and link to his daughter's (new) article.Steve James (talk) 23:19, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Glad to see more interest in populating the names in the artwork on wikipedia. Whenever a name is spelled in a way that is not standard I leave it in the way its spelled on the artwork in this article but add the word (sic) after it meaning it was spelled "thus". The article title for the subject is spelt in the most commonly used form. A piped link leads from the Dinner Party article. Lumos3 (talk) 13:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

"Lalla" linked to a man. I corrected it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.41.229.177 (talk) 18:29, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

documentary

in my college days, in a philosophy or art class, i watched a video documentary of this work. there is acknowledgement of a book about the work, i wonder if the documentary is still in circulation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Childhoodtrauma (talk • contribs) 23:32, 1 June 2007

A very late response...but...there was a documentary, by Johanna Demetrakas from 1980 called Right Out of History: The Making of Judy Chicago's "The Dinner Party". Looks like it's in print still and available on DVD from Amazon. I haven't seen it, I'd love too. SarahStierch (talk) 01:15, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I've added a bibliography section where publications about the work can be listed. Lumos3 (talk) 11:01, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

The List

Would anyone object to me converting the 500 name list into a table? Kaldari (talk) 00:41, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

No, no I would not. I'm going to be working on this article in the near future, and the list being organized would be a really big help to the cause. Thank you. SarahStierch (talk) 00:54, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Please go ahead. I originally uploaded the list. I seem to remember that I couldn't reconcile the number of names to the number stated. There may be one or two missing. I've never had the time to track this down. If you can check this out I'd be grateful. Lumos3 (talk) 10:59, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I think its 999 names not 500. Lumos3 (talk) 11:03, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

The 999 are listed alphabetically at present. In the book of the work they are associated with and grouped around each attendee at the dining table. It would be good to eventually reflect this in the article. But an alphabetic table would be a good first step. Lumos3 (talk) 11:09, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I hope it soon will. I have a copy of The Dinner Party by Chicago, and a number of other books by and about her. We can double check the list.. SarahStierch (talk) 15:36, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

What columns should the table have? I would assume Name and Time Period. What about Notability, or Notes (for things like spelling differences). Should it include Nationality? Any other ideas to consider. By the way, our list only includes 900 names. Are we missing some? Kaldari (talk) 10:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm still in the process of "looking at" the list. If you go here. What do you mean by notability? Do you mean the thing that the person did that they're most known for? In The Dinner Party, Chicago states the name, year of birth (or circa birth), location where active (i.e. Hittite Empire, United States), and a brief paragraph on each individual. I think if we have name, birth year, location where active (or sometimes their nationality might not match their location of activity), and possibly an extra slot for either notes or notability (if I defined it right?). On the mailing list it was mentioned to keep the list simple, while I think that's ok, I like the idea of having the "reason" why Chicago would perhaps feature the individual briefly mentioned (i.e. "First Egyptian queen to have her name on official acts of law."). Thoughts? SarahStierch (talk) 13:34, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Blargh, I just finished the list and I'm short I'm at 992. :-/ SarahStierch (talk) 02:17, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Starting a double check, probably won't get it done tonight. Blargh, again. SarahStierch (talk) 02:44, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

::OK, I have double checked and Chicago's book only lists 997. SarahStierch (talk) 04:12, 12 December 2011 (UTC) Nevermind, Chicago lists a few people together on the same line, it's been fixed! The list is complete. SarahStierch (talk) 05:03, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Here's the draft table version, if anybody wants to help fill in the blanks. Kaldari (talk) 06:50, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Great work. Lumos3 (talk) 19:41, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm fine with the way the list looks. The notes column allows us to add Judy Chicago's reasons against those entries for which no supporting material has been found on the Brooklyn Museum's wiki (Example). These would be a problem to write a Wikipedia article which is supported by reliable sources. I would encourage you to move the tabulated list into the article sooner rather than later so that collaborative work is carried out there. This will provide a central audit trail of who has edited it within the encyclopedia space as well as preventing problems of synchronizing the draft version with changes made in the article version. After all Wikipedia exists in a wabi sabi like state of ongoing imperfection. A table with empty space is an invitation for others to get involved. Lumos3 (talk) 20:53, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Enjoy! (and now get to work ;-) ) List of women in the Heritage Floor SarahStierch (talk) 23:04, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

"despite art world resistance"

despite art world resistance? What the hell does that mean? Sounds incredibly vague. Jun-Dai (talk) 18:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

It means that a large portion of the art world did not accept the artwork. It's actually a term used frequently in contemporary art analysis. SarahStierch (talk) 20:51, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Text for The Box Lunch - holding place until editor finds the citations

"The Dinner Party" was satirized locally by performance artist Suzy San Francisco, whose counter-exhibit "The Box Lunch" at a San Francisco warehouse comprised a collection of steel lunch boxes representing those women "not invited to the Dinner Party." These include Henny Youngman's Wife.

--SarahStierch (talk) 15:59, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

"Gertrude Svensen"

The correct name for the person called "Gertrude Svensen" in List of women in the Heritage Floor is actually "Gertrud Svensdotter", as the article of her say, and the (Swedish) references also calls her. Gertrud Svensdotter was from Sweden, and her last name Svensdotter was a Patronymic meaning "daughter of Sven": the ending word "dotter" in the name meaning "daughter". I am from Sweden myself, and no references in her home country, were her story is well known, ever refers to her as "Gertrude Svensen" - which would also have been strange, as the name "Svensen" is also a patronymic meaning "son of Sven". Further more, "Svensen" is also a Danish patronymic rather than a Swedish, which would have been "Svensson". Her first name also has the wrong spelling, as the Swedish spelling of Gertrude is Gertrud without the e at the end, but that is a smaller matter. My question is: is the name actually wrong in the art exhibition The Dinner Party itself (which means that it would have to continue being wrong in the article), or is it simply wrongly spelled only in the article (and can be corrected) ?--Aciram (talk) 22:58, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

'See also' section

I couldn't help but noticing the strangely out of place 'see also' section, linking to the Great Wall of Vagina artwork by Jamie McCartney.

What is a vagina wall of a male artist doing here? It seems to reduce The Dinner Party to a work about vaginas. Can't it be removed? Breston (talk) 15:56, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Update on women's day: I think I'm just going to go ahead and remove the 'see also' section for now, since besides the misplaced mention it has no information whatsoever. --Breston (talk) 23:09, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Famous Women Dinner Service

It would be good if some mention could be made of Vanessa Bell's and Duncan Grant's Famous Women Dinner Service of 1932-1934. Stronach (talk) 10:13, 25 February 2024 (UTC)