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Clarify "Allied" in result[edit]

The infobox result says "Allied victory" but not which side is "Allied". The French side lists more Belligerents although they are a sublist under French Empire. The only "allied" in the opening paragraph is in "Napoleon's empire (as well as the allied powers of the Spanish Empire)". World War I and World War II have an "Allied Powers" heading in the infobox. I don't know whether the same is suitable here but something should be done. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:39, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In reliable sources the allies are on the side of the British. I have never seen the French forces in Spain referred to as "Allied" in Reliable English language sources. AFAICT The reason for not using Coalition is that not all allies were always part of the numbered Coalitions -- PBS (talk) 20:13, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Coalition victory" wouldn't currently be helpful because the infobox doesn't use that term to describe any of the belligerents. My point is that whatever the sides are called, you should be able to tell from the infobox which side won without having to read the article or know in advance what the sides are called. If "Allies" is the common name for the Spanish-British side then use that as heading for that side of the belligerents. If the name isn't common enough for that then don't use "Allied victory" as the only description of the result but for example say "Spanish-British victory". PrimeHunter (talk) 21:27, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What no Portugal? -- PBS (talk) 00:20, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

One of the problems with Wikipedia is that people tend to "me too" trivial facts into campaign and battle boxes. If one cook from a nation was involved in a war there will be someone who adds that nation as a combatant in the battle box. See for example the article Peninsular War by Britanica.com that states "part of the Napoleonic Wars fought in the Iberian Peninsula, where the French were opposed by British, Spanish, and Portuguese forces." No mention there of all the other countries that were subjugated by France and that might (or might not have contributed a few soldiers to the war). -- PBS (talk) 00:30, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@PrimeHunter I have changed it to "French defeat", and so far no one has reverted. Does that solve the problem? -- PBS (talk) 12:56, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Thanks. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:57, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

1808 confusion[edit]

Some clarification of the narrative is needed. Junot's (presumably) French army crosses Spain and occupies Lisbon, then becomes a "Portuguese Legion" and withdraws to Germany. But later, the British pick up Spanish troops from Germany - how did they get there? Meanwhile the Spanish revolt against the French occupation of Madrid - but this is the first mention of Madrid, or any of Spain, being occupied by the French. Cyclopaedic (talk) 13:57, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Casualties[edit]

Spanish fatal casualties between 1809-1813 accounted for 586,000 people, p.8 https://previa.uclm.es/ab/humanidades/profesores/descarga/manuel_ortiz/crisisregimen.pdf

Portuguese killed or missing, 250.000 t 500,000 between 1807-1814 p.12 https://books.google.es/books?id=8yqPBAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=es#v=onepage&q&f=false

--Bentaguayre (talk) 18:44, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Spanish War of Independence[edit]

Peninsular war is systemic bias and Anglo-centrism. --Montecarmelo0 (talk) 15:08, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Utter rubbish - follow the Reliable Sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.51.247 (talk) 14:35, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Peninsular War honestly sounds pretty objective to me, as well as being the common name in English. What other name could we use? METRANGOLO1 (talk) 12:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As is covered in the lead, they are two seperate, albeit overlapping, wars, the peninsular war covers portugal, and france as well. No other name is required for this articles content. Erik Sergeant (talk) 13:39, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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