Talk:Charles Emmanuel IV

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Do you have a source for your claims as to the proper titles in use here? "Prince of Piedmont" is normally the title of the heir-apparent, not of the heir-apparent to the heir-apparent, and my understanding was that "Duke of Savoy" was not used as a courtesy title for heirs. But I'm not completely sure. john k 16:19, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

In the case of the titles used by the heirs apparent to the head of the house of Savoy, there are no fixed rules. There are numerous sources which show that Victor Amadeus (III) was styled "Duke of Savoy" until the death of his father King Charles Emanuel III in 1773, and that Charles Emanuel (IV) was styled "Prince of Piedmont" from his birth:

In English: the Court and City Register (1759), and the Gentleman's and Citizen's Almanack (1769 and 1770).

In French: the Almanach royal (1757, 1758, 1766, 1767, 1768, 1770, 1771, 1772).

In Italian: Giovanni Carbonelli, Benedetto XIV al battesimo di Carlo Emanuele IV di Savoia (Torino: R. Streglio, 1906).

I have found only one work which calls Victor Amadeus (III) "Prince of Piedmont" during the lifetime of his father (instead of "Duke of Savoy"); this is A Companion to the Almanack (Jeffreys, 1753). Noel S. McFerran

Stuart claim.[edit]

Were there people who claimed the "Stuartship" because Charles Emmanuel failed to be active in this cause? twitter.com/YOMALSIDOROFF (talk) 21:03, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

4th Sardinia???[edit]

No, 4th of Savoy! This is a basic historical error. Revolution Yes (talk) 20:53, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is no different from the fact that there has never before been a Charles who held the title "King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". In spite of this someone currently calls himself "Charles III". Noel S McFerran (talk) 01:56, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We've Philip II through VI of Spain, when in fact technically, it should've been Philip I through V. As for the UK? We have William IV, Edward VII, Edward VIII & Elizabeth II, when technically it should've been William I, Edward I, Edward II & Elizabeth I. Then there's the four Italian monarchs. There's other examples, but ya get the point. GoodDay (talk) 16:39, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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