Talk:Kevin Carter

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updates - questions for refs[edit]

Hello - the information about the invitation is on page 110 of the book.[1]

Silva was a citizen of South Africa - not Portugal. He was an immigrant as a kid. Best.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 21:51, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Marinovich & Silva 2000, p. 110.

Death and legacy - update[edit]

Death and legacy

I write Death and Legacy in two sections. Because at this time not an info to legacy is on the page about Kevin. The legacy is not only about money. The legacy is today for the teaching of studends from college to master diploms and academice studies around the world. This information just showed up in my research. Citation exist more than fifth. The image is the reason for the use in studies, schools, Universities, and etc. The Quote I use too.


Kevin Carter's death

On 27 July 1994 Carter died of carbon monoxide poisoning at the age of 33 in his own car. His suicide was the third death of photographers which reported about the the township wars in South Africa. Abdul Shariff and Ken Oosterbroek, his best friend, were shot.[1] Carter wrote about Ken Oosterbroek in his suicide note, "[...] I have gone to join Ken if I am that lucky."[2]

Desmond Tutu, Archbishop Emeritus of Cape Town, South Africa wrote: "And we know a little about the cost of being traumatized that drove some to suicide, that, yes, these people were human beings operating under the most demanding of conditions."[3]

John Carlin,The Independent’s South Africa bureau chief, commented in his Obituary „What torments drove him to undergo a mood-swing so calamitously abrupt is a question best left to his family and close friends to contemplate.“[4]


Portions of Carter's suicide note read:

I’m really, really sorry. The pain of life overrides the joy to the point that joy does not exist...I am depressed...without phone...money for rent...money for child support...money for debts...money!!!...I am haunted by the vivid memories of killings and corpses and anger and pain...of starving or wounded children, of trigger-happy madmen, often police, of killer executioners...I have gone to join Ken [recently deceased colleague Ken Oosterbroek] if I am that lucky”.

— Kevin Carter in his suicide note, [5][6]

Maybe I update the citation too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxim Pouska (talk • contribs) 12:57, December 4, 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ [1] John Carlin: Obituary: Kevin Carter. The Independent Online, 31 July 1994
  2. ^ [2] Ken Oosterbroek in his suicide note
  3. ^ Marinovich & Silva 2000, p. xi (11).
  4. ^ [3] John Carlin: Obituary: Kevin Carter. The Independent Online, 31 July 1994
  5. ^ Cite error: The named reference time-1994 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  6. ^ "The vulture and the little girl". Rare Historical Photos. Retrieved 2 September 2016.

Wording on suicide[edit]

I recently edited the article to us more neutral terminology regarding Carter's suicide (Committed suicide -> Died by suicide). This was reverted by MarnetteD, citing the policy that Wikipedia is not censored, but that policy seems to be about the removal of content, not about word choice. There is an ongoing discussion in Village Pump about what should be used, and it seems a consensus is forming that language on Wikipedia should reflect language used by sources. Carter's obituary in the Guardian avoids the "committed" and says "killed himself." Would it be appropriate to change all references of committed suicide in the article, given that? TylerRDavis (talk) 20:59, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello TylerRDavis, this is complicated. The wording by Senator John Walsh: Far too often, we're leaving our veterans to fight their toughest battles alone, Senator John Walsh told CNN. The Democrat from Montana is the first Iraq War combat veteran to serve in the United States Senate. Last month he introduced legislation aimed at reducing the number of military veterans who commit suicide. The Article in CNN [4]
The wording "killed himself." is more used by editors and journalists - it is more sensational. You can try it but take care of WP:EDITWAR Take a look at the three-revert rule (3RR).--Maxim Pouska (talk) 05:29, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I read the discussion Village Pump. I would not agree to a change.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 07:18, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • On what grounds? That discussion seems to be coming to the conclusion that, although a policy against certain wording is uncalled for, mirroring the language in sourcing is acceptable. TylerRDavis (talk) 15:47, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Withdrawn Should have waited on this. My apologies. TylerRDavis (talk) 23:47, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing and language[edit]

I have added a reference for the Savatage album. Re language, South African English is a curious dialect, or rather a group of dialects, but the long connection with Britain would render US-specific spellings inappropriate - so I have amended these, where present, too.ProfessorDeYaffle (talk) 10:42, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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