Talk:French Resistance

Prose size and the very long tag

@Scope creep: according to WP:SIZERULE this page is {{very long}} and should be tagged or split. Wikipedia is supposed to be maintained for all users, not just those with "modern broadband speeds". The maintenance category should remain in place while the guideline remains as is. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 17:01, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

@Fred Gandt: How goes it? That WP:SIZERULE rule is a load of bollocks and is out of time as it makes no sense. It was good in 2005, when everybody on the west was on an average of 1.0mbit but that no the case. Even in Nigeria, deepest Africa, average broadband speeds are now 19Mbits. In South-east Asia and India the average is around 18Mbits. In china the speeds are much as faster as. There is 10000's of articles of that length on Wikipedia and none of them are going to split. That WP:SIZERULE rule needs go.It is now a complete WP:IAR scenario. I've had this conversation numerous times and its become the blind moles. At the end of the day, nobody is going to split this article, because it is not even in range of what considered large. It simply not going to happen as the times have moved on. scope_creep^Talk 17:10, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

That sounds like a discussion you need to start or continue on the guideline talk (or wherever you deem it most suitable) but while the guideline is what it is, this and other affected articles should be maintained in accordance with it. Ignoring all the rules is only appropriate if the specifics of a case are such that they fall outside the rules; this page is long according the guidelines and there's no argument against that. Your personal opinion is not consensus and your experience may not be typical. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 17:17, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

The article size "rules" are completely made-up nonsense based on nothing, and as rehashed ad nauseum, even a single large image consumes bandwidth comparable to all the rendered text. We unfortunately have a number of editors who can't seem to find anything else to do but harp about this non-issue. The reason the guidelines haven't changed is that experienced editors find it easy to resist its mindless application in the field, so there's little appetite for wasting time battling out a change to the defunct guideline itself. EEng 21:27, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

As has been revealed by expert analysis of the current guidelines; they are still very relevant and should be adhered to. This is one of the longest articles on the English Wikipedia, currently sitting at 2442 from the top. These facts are neither a load of bollocks or made-up nonsense. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 23:23, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Its because you don't know what your talking about. That rather simplistic definition of support at talk WP:AS is neither right nor reflective of a whole series of others reasons why the WP:AS is incorrect. Its a base rationale at best, extremely conversative in nature and doesn't reflect reality for most people outwith Wikipedia nor within wikipedia. From the "Keep it short, please! People have fallen asleep after" to "dial" up lines, its all yesterdays news. It like reading dec manuals from 1988. Its mostly outdate junk. It might be worth pointing that a good number of people on Wikipedia, I don't know the exact numbers, but between 40-60% of folk are either software engineer, or a part of the STEM industry, so they tend to know what they are talking about. I'm an software engineer. My first job was protocol developement on 802.3. I know what I'm talking about. More so it worries me, that this mentality is going to end up crucifying this extremely important article. scope_creep^Talk 01:14, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Proposal to split History to its own article

This article is very long, which is known to cause technical issues as well as making the article unwieldy for for some readers. The History section is very large, fairly self contained and looks as if it could stand well on its own. This article could then contain a short summary of the history, relevant for the needs of this article and a {{main}} for further reading. Please don't leap to a WP:VOTE and consider the pros and cons of the proposal. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 22:17, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

What's needed is for that section to be massively cut. It's overdetailed and discursive (as is much of the article), with all kinds of material that doesn't belong even if it's a standalone article. Splitting it off is just sweeping that problem under the rug. This is a great example of the obsession with size per se causing the real problems with an article to be ignored. EEng 06:07, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

What technical problems. Another myth from the decade back still lingering. scope_creep^Talk 09:57, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Size is more often a symptom of problems than itself a problem, though both can be problems. From a glance, it seems that the history section should be refactored, and a separate timeline article may be helpful. Onetwothreeip (talk) 09:34, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Seems to me that the history section of this article has both too much detail for a survey article and too little for the serious student. Maybe the two-step solution is to incorporate the existing history section in a new article titled History of the French Resistance and to pare down by about 3/4 the history section in this article, Then, as a second long-term step create several more-detailed spin-off articles: French Resistance, 1940-1941; French Resistance, 1942; French Resistance, 1943; and French Resistance 1944. The French resistance is a big topic.

I've been toying with the notion of working on some article (or creating one) with more detail about the beginning of the French Resistance in 1940-41. Any suggestions as to how the subject might be approached? Smallchief (talk) 13:13, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Fall 2023 HIST 401

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