Talk:Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead

ward table

This ward table used to be on the main page Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead. I removed it to here because it was poorly formatted (no <table> or </table>) and doesn't seem encyclopedic - no other local authority has a similar table.--Keith Edkins 17:08, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

I removed the table. Not what talk pages are for. People can look at the history for that. --Gonnym (talk) 09:56, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Move

How about moving this to Windsor and Maidenhead? Morwen - Talk 19:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Move what? And why? Bazza 12:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Um, the entire article. Because it is less wordy, and there isn't any other Windsor and Maidenhead to disambiguate with. Morwen - Talk 14:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

But there is no such place as Windsor and Maidenhead. Windsor and Maidenhead are separate towns. There is a unitary authority called the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead, though. Bazza 15:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Nope. There is a district called Windsor and Maidenhead which has the status of a royal borough. There are plenty of double-barelled district names, such as Brighton and Hove, Crewe and Nantwich, Hinckley and Bosworth, Basingstoke and Deane - and we don't have "Borough of" or "City of" starting thoese. Morwen - Talk 15:32, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

You're incorrect about RBWM (I can't comment on the rest). There is no district called Windsor and Maidenhead (with or without a prefix) - that became extinct when Berkshire County Council was abolished. There is now a unitary authority called the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead. It encompasses several towns and villages as the article describes, and is not confined to the two towns of Maidenhead and Windsor. Bazza 13:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

This is, I'm afraid, nonsense on stilts. There is a district that was established under the English Non-metropolitan districts order 1972 covering the former boroughs of New Windsor, Maidenhead and "several towns and villages" as I am quite aware. The district was given a name by the Non-metropolitan names order 1972 : "Windsor and Maidenhead". It subsequently was granted letters patent entitling it to the style "royal borough". On April 1, 1998, the Berkshire (Structural Change) Order came into effect. It makes no change in the name or the constitution of the district of Windsor and Maidenhead, but gives its district council the powers that previously were excercised by Berkshire County Council, making it a unitary authority as well as its continuing status as a non-metropolitan district. Can you provide citations for your position? Morwen - Talk 10:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[1] refers consistently to the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead (RBWM). I can't find any reference to the "district of Windsor and Maidenhead". A Google search of "windsor and maidenhead district council" returns similar information for local authority names, with "windsor and maidenhead district" only being returned for names of associations, clubs or other non-governmental authoirities. All literature from RBWM to its residents (of whom I am one) cite RBWM, either abbreviated or in full. The only usage of "Windsor and Maidenhead" I can find is in terms such as "Windsor and Maidenhead area", much as is also found in "Slough and Windsor area", etc. Many residents of both towns having towns names amalgamated in this way but that is the way it is. If the name were more honest, it would be RBWMA to include the third town of Ascot which is also included in the unitary authority. I am still puzzled why you want this move. "Windsor and Maidenhead" redirects to this article in any case; and there is still no place which is named "Windsor and Maidenhead". A similar situation exists with the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea — likewise there is no place called "Kensington and Chelsea". Bazza 15:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I really don't see how anything you say address the issue of whether it is a non-metropolitan district (it is, a district with the further status of a royal borough), and its name (which is "Windsor and Maidenhead". yes, a lot of people call it royal borough of windsor and maidenhead. the "royal borough" part does not form part of the name, otherwise for example the council would be legally called the "royal borough of windsor and maidenhead borough council" and that would be silly. my proposal for the name change would be because its shorter, it is currently the only non-london district article to have such superfluity in its name. i'm not proposing to include the word "district" in the name, just noting that "Royal Borough of" is external to the name, just as in "Mr John Smith", Mr is external to the name. Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea is only there for consistency with stuff like London Borough of Lambeth and London Borough of Haringey. Morwen - Talk 15:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[undent] Which name are you referring to? If it's the one which a lot of people (and most who live in it) call it by, then it should remain, as you say, RBWM. If it's the one to be used for consistency, then I argue that it should remain RBWM - the other two RBs in England also have articles with their full title (which I note that article describes as being a legal part of their title). I don't follow the London/Royal argument at all; nor do I agree with removing information simply for the sake of it. Bazza 18:20, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm talking about the official name of the district.

For the london boroughs all the articles are at London Borough of X, even if there is no other place called X. Obviously it would be silly to have London Borough of Kensington and Chelsea so we incorporate the "Royal Borough" part instead. There are no other royal boroughs in England outside London for comparison, so what to call our article about the non-metropolitan district of Windsor and Maidenhead is a one-off decision.

If local usage really is never to use plain 'Windsor and Maidenhead', then I can see I'm not going to get much from pursuing this line of argument. But I'm just explaining that the that is its official name, and that your statements above were not true. "removing information simply for the sake of it" is a pretty silly strawman argument as well - and I'd like you to withdraw that please - i'm just talking about the name of the article more concise, not altering the text of the article in any way. Anthony Charles Lynton Blair contains more information than Tony Blair but the latter is the preferred article name. Morwen - Talk 18:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Inbound links-wise its 47 RBW&M (mostly coming from Template:SE England) and 56 W&M (which is quite a lot for a redirect) so this probably suggests wide use of the shorter form. MRSC 18:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Old Windsor?

How come Old Windsor is not included in the list of towns and villages? --86.136.187.163 15:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

• Ask, and it shall be done. Although you could have done it yourself. Bazza 13:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Windsor Castle enclave

Is part of Windsor Castle excluded from Windsor and Maidenhead? According to Ordnance Survey, "The Upper and Middle wards of Windsor Castle do not form part of the district [i.e. the unitary royal borough] of Windsor and Maidenhead..." (Boundary-Line user guide, v1.8, April 2010, chapter 3, page 19). But I can't find any other online references or maps to clarify this. If the statement is accurate, it may be that the castle is the only part of the UK not to be part of a local government area. — Richardguk (talk) 21:39, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

A surviving extra-parochial place called "Windsor Castle". [2] According to Youngs (1980) it consists of two wards (Upper and Lower). Lower was included in the Municipal Borough of New Windsor in 1866 "for rating purposes". Vic County says similar [3] MRSC (talk) 13:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Interesting. The article Extra-parochial area gives only the combined area of the Inner and Middle Temples as a current instance. It remains unclear why, if Windsor Castle retains an exemption because of its Crown occupation, this does not also apply to other royal palaces such as Buckingham Palace, St James's Palace and the Tower of London. This also raises the question of whether a resident of the Upper or Middle wards of Windsor Castle would be entitled to register at that address to vote in local and/or parliamentary elections. — Richardguk (talk) 14:51, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

This is what happens when you release data to the public. People ask questions. St James's Palace was extra-parochial (see City and Liberty of Westminster) as was the Tower of London (Liberties of the Tower of London). Buckingham Palace is probably too recent. Youngs describes Windsor Castle as "partly" in Windsor (UK Parliament constituency) and then Windsor and Maidenhead (UK Parliament constituency). I assume the "part" is the Lower Ward. MRSC (talk) 16:23, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Tom Bursnall and Catherine Bursnall

The above councillors defected from the Conservative Party to the United Kingdom Independence Party, the ward list needs subsequently updatingGuyb123321 (talk) 16:08, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Be bold! - you could do that yourself. I've done it anyway. Bazza (talk) 15:49, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Windsor and Maidenhead Borough Council

User:MRSC inserted a statement in Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead stating that the name of the local authority is Windsor and Maidenhead Borough Council. The link is to a page the same user only recently created which has no references at all. Some citation is required for this name, one which I have never heard of officially; it does not appear in any other references on Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead, including [4] and the local authority's own site [5]. Bazza (talk) 15:30, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

It is used when referring explicitly to the council, rather than the borough. [6] Although as you point out, the council on their own website use "Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead" to mean both the borough and the council, which isn't especially helpful when trying talk about the two things separately. I suspect it is because they like to use the "Royal" title and this is applied to the borough and not the council. MRSC (talk) 17:13, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

The Google search you gave does not back up your assertion. The first three contain no reference to "Windsor and Maidenhead Council". With the exception of a letter to the council from a member of the public from 2006 ([year this same uncited edit was last attempted]), a Freedom of Information Act question, and a pub list from Camra, the rest state "Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead Council" or "The Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead (the Council)". My own council tax demands are also from "The Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead". The same Google search as yours with "Royal" added[7]] returns results which unanimously suggest the name of the council is "The Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead Council"; and [8] is similar without the site restriction. I'm happy for your edit to stand if there is sufficient evidence of "Windsor and Maidenhead Borough Council", but none has been given to back your assertion that "it is used when referring explicitly to the council". Bazza (talk) 21:38, 3 December 2013 (UTC)