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Will this[edit]

Will this transliteration be a sentence based on what system? --kahusi - (Talk) 03:16, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Can't say I understood the question that well, but Russian transliteration guidelines are outlined in this article. Current anthem transliteration is different and probably should be changed as it is of little use to English speakers.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 16:05, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)
Especially for you, Ёжик: I know two real Latin alphabets for Russian. The first (which was developed in USSR and could be used) is described here: [1], and the second — more beautiful and useful — here : [2]. So, try to understand, that THIS variant can never be considered as transcription as transliteration. It's unreadable.
Good luck.
The system for transliterating Russian text used in English Wikipedia is BGN/PCGN (a slightly modified version of which is described in the Transliteration of Russian into English article; it is to be used mostly for geographical and personal names when no commonly used English variant is available). The two systems you are referring to serve completely different purposes—one seems to be a "beautiful" system of using Latin scripts to render Cyrillics; the other is a system of transliteration that does not specifically target English speakers. Both of those systems have merits, but not when it is necessary to transliterate a Russian text in such a way as for it to be readable for English speakers; furthermore, none of those two systems is widely used or even recognizable. For that purpose, BGN/PCGN fits the bill perfectly.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 14:12, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

Hymn/Anthem[edit]

ГИМН is not a geographical or personal name or a part of the song; it's just an Anthem in Russian and official name of this song is as unimaginable as National Anthem of Russia (btw, Russian Federation and Russia are synonyms according to 1993 Russian Constitution). It's just improper to transliterate the Russian word anthem then combine it with English name of the country and present the result as if it's some kind of original name. I'm moving the page according to Wikipedia:Naming conventions. DmitryKo 18:57, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

As far as Wikipedia conventions go, you are absulutely right. I just wanted to note that there is an English word "hymn" as well (so it's not merely a bad transliteration), but it is mostly used to described religious hymns. I do not know for sure if a national anthem can be called a "hymn", but I would not exclude this possibility. Perhaps a native English speaker could clarify it for us, because the anthems of some other countries/subdivisions are also titled "hymns", and should probably be moved as well.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 19:09, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
In my honest opinion, the word "hymn" works -- it does not necessarily infer a religious hymn, it can also be of the religious sort, as well. Honestly, I can't read Russian, but I do believe Hymn of the Russian Federation would work much better than "National Anthem of Russia." Has the Russian government said anything on this matter? No press reports or anything like that? Or perhaps a neutral: Anthem of the Russian Federation. Sounds a bit more prestigious that way, and yet you don't lose your, well, "meaning." -- Tlaktan 03:44, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
In Russian, the words "hymn" and "anthem" are not distinguished; both are translated as "гимн" (transliterated as "gimn", which sounds a lot like "hymn"). If you look at the definition of the word "hymn", however, you'll see that it has very little to do with national anthems—it is first and foremost used to describe hymns (and anthems) of religious nature.
"Anthem of Russian Federation" (as opposed to "National Anthem") may work fine (and, as a matter of fact, is a more exact translation of "Гимн Российской Федерации"), but I do not really see the benefit of using one variant over another. This is a national anthem, after all, so what would be the point of dropping the "national" part?—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 16:22, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
Aesthetic purposes, perhaps? --- Tlaktan 03:36, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The best way to check is to see official law. I will try to check later today, but I have a final to worry about. Zscout370 (talk) 11:08, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The official law says "Государственный гимн Российской Федерации" (I should know as I added the text of the law to Wikisource myself. This can be translated either as "State Anthem of the Russian Federation" or as "National Anthem of the Russian Federation". Taking the aesthetic purposes into consideration and blending them with the spirit of the original, "National Anthem" is the way to go.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 14:24, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

I think some people call it the Hymn of the RF because most people call the Soviet Anthem "Hymn of the Soviet Union." As mentioned earlier, Gimn sounds very close to hymn. However, we could keep Hymn of the RF as the "Unofficial title," which can be introduced later in the article. Zscout370 (talk) 14:58, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Considering what was said above about the word "hymn", I think "Hymn of the Soviet Union" sounds really unhealthy :) Anyway, it's your call. English is my second language, and yours first. If using the word "hymn" to describe "national anthem" sounds OK to you, so be it.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 15:21, May 5, 2005 (UTC)
While religious songs are called hymnals, but we sometimes call national anthems hymns, like the Olympic Hymn. For this article, gimn sounds very close to hymn, so we can move it to "Hymn of the Russian Federation." However, what we can mention that this article is the national anthem of Russia. The article about the USSR anthem also mentions "Hymn of the Soviet Union" as an alternate title. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) Fair use policy 04:54, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I do hope that you know what you are talking about, but I am still not comfortable with calling a national anthem "hymn". The article on Olympic Hymn is, by the way, located at Olympic Anthem, although the article mentions that it is an "informal name". Hopefully, peer review will sort this out.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 03:54, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Same here. It can always be moved back, and I will not move it back here if consensus is against me. However, I do wish to note that American broadcastor NBC uses both Hymn and Anthem interchangably. This was brought up when Russian was "owning" everyone in the figure skating events. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) Fair use policy 04:08, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think that National Anthem of Russia is the best name and the one now preferred by official sources. See the official page on Putin's website, for instance. It's also listed on the G8 summit site as "Russia's national anthem"[3]; I'd assume the information came directly from the government. I believe that Hymn of the Russian Federation is an alternate translation that should be included. --Dhartung | Talk 20:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

God save the queen?[edit]

I am aware that the melody to God Save the Queen was indeed used, however was the anthem simply transplanted from Britain in its entirety? 24.10.139.96 07:32, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The music stayed the same, but the lyrics changed. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:26, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Except that it was "God Save the King" at the time. Queen Anne died in 1714, and the next Queen Regnant was Victoria who acceded in 1837. JackofOz 05:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Awesome[edit]

This is a great national anthem. I'm not Russian but I'm feeling patriotic! -Taco325i 03:46, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good, I am glad. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It says: 'Translated into Russian by Arkadiy Yakovlevich Kots in 1902, the song was used as the anthem of the newly created Union of Soviet Socialist Republics from 1918 until 1944'. The Soviet Union, though, was only established in 1922!

The Soviet government had it from 1918 until 1944, but you are correct on that. I have sources that say from 1918 until replaced by the all familiar tune we know and love. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Errata[edit]

1) Stalin didn't ask Mikhalkov to write the Hymn. 2) El Registan wasn't Georgian, rather an Armenian.

Vladimir Przyjalkowski.

Derzhava[edit]

Derzhava is not translated a state.Its compared to 'power' as in superpower. I think the literal translation,would be empire or dominion.

Women's headgear[edit]

When the anthem is played, all headgear must be removed

Does this apply to only men, or women too? —Michael Z. 2006-07-24 03:42 Z

Both. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've never heard of such a thing! It's doubtful... AllexGER (talk) 14:43, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Minor grammar problem[edit]

.... and in rich in resources... This does not look right. The first "in" should not be there, so I'm deleting it.

Go ahead. If you see any more grammar issues, just go ahead and fix it; you don't need to tell us :) User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

People vowing not to stand up for the Anthem[edit]

I have found at People's Daily in Chinese that some people disagreeing the once-Soviet melody have vowed not to stand up for the Russian Anthem used now. As I cannot readily find this kind of report in English (I cannot read Russian), I am wondering if there is any definite penalty for willfully failing to stand up for the Anthem. It will be much better to get a reliable English newsreport about this.--Jusjih 17:31, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This English page has further reported the controversies re-adopting the once-Soviet melody. It says about some people vowing not to stand up for the Anthem.--Jusjih 17:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm one of these people, and I roam free so far:) There's no punishment for this (probably, not yet). MaxSem 19:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The most I have seen, penalty wise, for the anthem in any situation is a public scolding of the Russian football team by Putin and that is it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:19, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Jamestown Foundation has an article here, so I, not a Russian, have used its external link to add people vowing not to stand up for the anthem. I plan to use the People's Daily report for Chinese Wikipedia.--Jusjih 14:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fine with me, since I have also seen reports that people refuse to either stand up for the anthem or sing the lyrics for it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Music[edit]

Is there an English hymn sung to this music? I know the tune. Is there something really similar I could be confusing it with? Njál 01:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is not an English hymn that I can think of, but here are two guess: the English recording by Paul Robeson or the song Go West by the Pet Shop Boys. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There's also Hymn (Ultravox song), whose melody does bear a striking resemblance to the anthem. So this could be why it sounds familiar to you, and perhaps even your use of the word "hymn". --Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:16, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Translation?[edit]

Anyone else think the translation is not very good? It seems overly mechanical and certainly not at all poetic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.39.59.83 (talk) 19:54, 14 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Return to Soviet era?[edit]

Now how the hell can a mere song return Russia to the Soviet era? QZXA2 23:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is how some of the opposition feels, plus, in other former Soviet republics, symbols have been changed to go back to the Soviet-era flags, arms or anthems. It is that feeling of longing back to the Soviet era and many of those who supported the anthem were either communists or prefered the strong, forceful, Soviet anthem than the calm, quiet nature of the Patriotic Song. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not that I cared for the lyrics at all, being a decided anti-Communist, but the Soviet national anthem was a wonderful, stirring piece of music. The fact that it was created under Communism and the rule of Stalin was no reason to get rid of it. When the U.S. brought Wernher von Braun over after World War II, they didn't ask him to forget everything he knew about rockets because he discovered it under the Nazis. Even under an immoral government, good things can happen.

Well, which is best then?![edit]

No one in Germany advocates redoing lyrics for Nazi music. Why do the Russians feel differently about retread Communist music? An explanation could help the article.

Suggestion: when you hear it, cheerfully sing along, using the 1944 lyrics praising Stalin. 209.93.106.240 (talk) 00:39, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Minor translation recommendation[edit]

I noticed that both Soviet and Russian versions of the chorus lyrics started with Славься, Отечество наше свободное. I have read that decision for the line to be carried to the Russian anthem was delibrate-- No source to support, however-- so I wonder if the current translation of that line Be glorious, our free Fatherland should change to the more well-known Soviet version of Sing to the Motherland, home of the free? --Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 02:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

Why if it stands as "National Anthem of Russia" in the title then in the text it says "State Anthem of the Russian Federation", which should be the transltion? If you see the interwikis, some choose the first and some the second. I'm translating it to Spanish. What I should do? OboeCrack (talk) 22:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest reading previous discussions on this page and making up your mind accordingly. If it helps, the literal translation is the "State Anthem of the Russian Federation"; all other variants are nods to the use English guideline. I would imagine the Spanish Wikipedia has its own guidelines that ought to be considered in this matter. Hope this helps.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:43, May 26, 2009 (UTC)
Yes, "anthem" is used in a nod to the Use English. However, it must be pointed out that this is merely a matter of deciding the sense in which to use the word "hymn"; strictly "anthem" is a religious song. I'd say a compromise would be to make "anthem" start with a small a (as opposed to a big A which implies that it is a proper noun) and indicate the literal translation would be along the lines of State Hymn of the Russian Federation. After all, if a free translation will be taken, we might as well forget pretending that it is the correct English name. 118.90.31.176 (talk) 12:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FAR National Anthem of Russia[edit]

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Voinovich's parody[edit]

The link takes you to a cached version of the page that's been translated into Spanish with Google Translate. Is it really worth keeping? Duke Atreides (talk) 23:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:National Anthem of Russia/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Wizardman Operation Big Bear 19:41, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is a really good article overall. I made a few tweaks, and found a couple issues:

  • "Two years before in the 1998 World Cup, the members of the Russian team commented that they do not feel inspired to perform " great patriotic effort" because of the wordless anthem." Cite needed.
  • "In a poll conducted by the Russian Public Opinion Study Center before Russia's flag day (August 22)," what year?

I'll put the article on hold and pass when the couple issues are fixed. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 19:41, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first part has a citation now (Franklin pp 116). The second part, the poll was taken in 2009. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:41, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good. Article's now a GA. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:55, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Major copy edit[edit]

Hi, Following a request at the Guild of Copy Editors, I have started to do a copy edit of this article. Under "Historic anthems", third paragraph, I need clarification on this sentence:

Before Lenin's arrival to Russia, the Internationale was not well known to the Russian people.

- What does "Before Lenin's arrival to Russia" mean? Arrival from where? Arrival onto the political scene? If anyone can shed some light on this, the sentence can be improved. Unfortunately, I have only been able to work up to the section on "Lyrics". I will have to do the rest another time. -- S Masters (talk) 17:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lenin was exiled, then returned to Russia to take control of the revolutionary forces. Vladimir_Lenin#Revolutionary will give some insight. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:51, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, OK. Then the sentence should read: "Before Lenin's return to Russia from exile, the Internationale was not well known to the Russian people," -- S Masters (talk) 18:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Correct. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:25, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In the section "Patrioticheskaya Pesnya", the first sentence is not clear: "With the fall of the Soviet Union approaching, a new national anthem was needed to go against the claims of what was left of the Soviet Union." What claims are these? That the SU is now weak? - The sentence is grammatically incorrect. We can correct it once the part about the claims is clarified. -- S Masters (talk) 04:03, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would say that a new anthem was needed to reject the Soviet past. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:12, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've rewritten it to say: "With the fall of the Soviet Union approaching, a new national anthem was needed to redefine the reorganized nation, and to reject the Soviet past." -- S Masters (talk) 04:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Works for me. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:29, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have now completed up to "Call for lyrics" but will have to stop. -- S Masters (talk) 05:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine, take your time. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:20, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Now up to "Modern adoption". (I have to stop again. I'm just making notes of where I stop in case someone else from GOCE takes over). -- S Masters (talk) 09:53, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. I also suggest looking at the FAC to see the concerns some people have. I need to make a note for you about the music itself, so...I will do that later. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 15:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I will have a look at it. -- S Masters (talk) 05:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have completed the copy edit. I have also made changes as suggested in the FAC. There may be other clarifications required in this article. My job is not to change the content, but to ensure correct grammar, consistency, clarity if required, and compliance with WP:MoS. If there are other issues that I can help with, let me know. Cheers. -- S Masters (talk) 11:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for clarification:

Putin said that a new national anthem was needed for Russia and that, along with the adoption of the state flag and emblem, should be a top priority for the country.

Does he mean that they need to pick a new anthem, new flag, and a new emblem? ...or does this mean that choosing a national anthem is as important as the other two? Did they already have the other two when they went anthem shopping?

Btw: Hi, S Masters. :)

J.M. Archer (talk) 22:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Putin wanted the issue of the state symbols settled when he first took office in 2000. He wanted a new anthem, but did not make much comments about a new flag or coat of arms. The end result was to keep the 1991 flag and arms, but use the Soviet anthem. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, J.M. Archer, nice to meet you and great to see you here. :-) -- S Masters (talk) 05:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also: is a "draft" a letter, or a bill, or... ? ("Putin decided to send the draft "On the National Anthem of the Russian Federation" to the Duma for their consideration on 4 December.") J.M. Archer (talk) 23:02, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bill. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:42, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so I updated the line about Putin pushing for a new anthem:

In a November session of the Federation Council, Putin stated that a new national anthem was just as important for Russia as a new flag and coat of arms and that the selection of a national anthem should be a top priority for the country.

If this is not accurate, I goofed, so please let me know. J.M. Archer (talk) 15:13, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In American usage at least, where we think of the 24 hour clock as "Military time," there is usually no "2400" on the clock (it's treated as "0000" instead). There's even a little confusion about this on the linked page on Wikipedia, and that page does note that, to avoid confusion, some train schedules avoid having any arrivals or departures at exactly 0000/2400. Just to prevent any confusion, I was thinking of changing that to "midnight."

I do realize that might be annoying to some people and apologize if that's offensive for some reason. Also, I read 0600 as being the beginning of the broadcast day and 2400 as being, ostensibly, the end, even if the programming is continuous, so I put the 0600 bit first. J.M. Archer (talk) 16:16, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

24-hour clock requires a colon as per WP:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Time of day. I have corrected this. -- S Masters (talk) 16:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. :) J.M. Archer (talk) 17:08, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1944 anthem lyrics[edit]

The "Lyrics" section regarding the 1944 anthem begins with "After selecting the music by Alexandrov for the anthem, Stalin needed the lyrics rewritten." I don't understand what this means, namely the meaning of "rewritten". Was there some other text that came along with Alexandrov's music, that was used before the Mikhalkov/El Registan text? The preceding section does not say anything about that... Nsk92 (talk) 21:21, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The only text that was previously used was the Hymn of the Bolshevik Party and "Life Has Become Better," the second statement "He thought the anthem was short and, because of the Great Patriotic War, it needed a statement about the Red Army going on to defeat Fascist Germany" is the main reason why the lyrics needed to be redone. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But were the Hymn of the Bolshevik Party and/or "Life Has Become Better" used as lyrics for Alexandrov's music? Nsk92 (talk) 06:11, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Those were the songs that used Alexandrov's tune that eventually became the anthem. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And, of course, the 1944 anthem needed some lyrics praising Guess Who. 209.93.106.240 (talk) 00:43, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a suggestion[edit]

In the "Call for lyrics" section, change "It was one of the few national anthems between 1990 and 2000 that lacked official lyrics, with the only other wordless national anthems were of Belarus (until 2002), 'Marcha Real' of Spain, and 'Intermezzo' of Bosnia and Herzegovina (until 2009)." to "The only other wordless national anthems in the period from 1990 to 2000 were those of Belarus (until 2002), 'Marcha Real' of Spain, and 'Intermezzo' of Bosnia and Herzegovina (until 2009)." Then eliminate the line feed separating that sentence from the previous, but keep all the references. This would eliminate some duplication. Should I do it?--Fartherred (talk) 09:41, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 26, 2010; 13:01 (UTC)
Go right ahead. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 16:46, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Here is another suggestion: In the "Public preception" section, replace the first sentence of the last paragraph, "Despite being a main backer for the restoration of the Alexandrov's melody, members of the Communist Party has proposed other changes to the anthem." with "The communist Party strongly supported the restoration of Alexandrov's melody, but some members proposed other changes to the anthem. " This would avoid disagreement in number between verb and subject. I hope it retains accuracy. Should this change be made?--Fartherred (talk) 17:15, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:37, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Major Copy-Edit II and Rewrite[edit]

Extended content

Major Rewrite Round 1[edit]

I spent over one hour looking at the first paragraph. Something was "choking" it. It does not get the message across clearly, so I rewrote it.

Current: The National Anthem of the Russian Federation (Russian: Государственный гимн Российской Федерации, "Gosudarstvenny Gimn Rossiyskoy Federatsii") is the national anthem of Russia. The song is an adaptation of the anthem of the Soviet Union that was used from 1944 until 1990, with music composed by Alexander Alexandrov. The lyrics from the Soviet anthem were revised by Sergey Mikhalkov, who had originally written the Soviet lyrics in 1943 and 1977.
Suggestion: The National Anthem of the Russian Federation (Russian: Государственный гимн Российской Федерации, "Gosudarstvenny Gimn Rossiyskoy Federatsii") is the national anthem of Russia. Its musical composition and lyrics were adopted from the anthem of the Soviet Union that was composed by Alexander Alexandrov and lyricist Sergey Mikhalkov. Alexandrov and Mikhalkov revisited the anthem and amended it to evoke and eulogize the history and traditions of Russia. Done
  • This article requires either a major copy edit or rewrite. We can see what Scartol will say about this. Davtra (talk) 06:13, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think my biggest problem with the lead is that it jumps around in time. Seems to me that an article like this should shoot for chronology as much as possible. In the first paragraph, give the essentials. ("It was adapted by Alexander Alexandrov and Sergey Mikhalkov from their anthem of the Soviet Union, amending it to evoke the history and traditions of Russia.") Then, in the second paragraph, give a run-down of what Russia used before 1917, and then explain what was used during the Soviet era, then give the link for the collapse, and so on. I hope this makes sense. Cheers to you all on your hard work here! Scartol • Tok 11:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for your feedback. My priority was rewriting the lead section. And now its time to focus on the structures and how they should flow. It's best to re-structure the lead section for now. Any volunteers? Davtra (talk) 11:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The second paragraph.

Current: Russia chose a new anthem in 1990 to distance itself from the Soviet past. Although "God Save The Tsar!" was used before the overthrow of the Tsar in 1917, Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the Russian SFSR, Boris Yeltsin selected the song "Patrioticheskaya pesnya" by Mikhail Glinka. Composed without words and discovered after Glinka's death, the anthem was officially adopted in 1993. The anthem was unpopular due to its lack of lyrics and, in addition, it did not inspire some Russian athletes during international competitions. The government sponsored a few contests to include lyrics in the anthem; however, none were adopted. Consequently, President Vladimir Putin decided to restore Alexandrov's music and that new lyrics should be written for it. The anthem was created and adopted in late 2000, and became the second anthem used by Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Suggestion: Russia sought a new anthem in 1990 to start anew after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The "Patrioticheskaya Pesnya" lyric-free anthem, composed by Mikhail Glinka, was officially adopted in 1993 by Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the Russian SFSR, Boris Yeltsin. The government sponsored contests to include lyrics for the unpopular anthem that did not inspire Russian athletes during international competitions; however, none were adopted, and resulted in the restoration of the Soviet Union anthem by President Vladimir Putin. The composers of the Soviet Union anthem, Alexandrov and Mikhalkov, were called to tailor the anthem for Russia. The new anthem was adopted in late 2000, and become the second anthem used by Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union.
  • Questions: (a) Is the Soviet Union anthem acceptable or does it have to be the anthem of the Soviet Union? (b) How is Patrioticheskaya Pesnya spelt? Is it spelt as "Patrioticheskaya pesnya" (lowercase p) or "Patrioticheskaya Pesnya" (uppercase P)? Davtra (talk) 09:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I removed Although "God Save The Tsar!" was used before the overthrow of the Tsar in 1917 because it creates a loophole that needs to be addressed. In order words, editors need to explain what Russian revolution is about in this paragraph. It appears that is explained below the lead section. Davtra (talk) 10:46, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The third paragraph.

Current: The public perception of the anthem is mixed amongst Russians. To some, the anthem is a reminder of the best days of Russia and honors past sacrifices. The Russian government contends that the anthem is a symbol of unity of the people and respects the past. To others, the anthem reminds them of violence that occurred under the rule of Joseph Stalin. In a 2009 poll, about half of the respondents felt proud when hearing the anthem, but many either did not like the anthem or could not recall the lyrics.
Suggestion: The public perception of the anthem is mixed among Russians. The anthem reminds some Russians the best days of Russia and honorable past sacrifices, while it reminds others of the violence that occurred under the rule of Joseph Stalin. The Russian government contends that the anthem is a symbol of unity of the people and respects the past. In a 2009 poll, approx. 50% of respondents felt proud when hearing the anthem, but the other 50% either disliked it or could not recall the lyrics. Davtra (talk) 10:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's "Fatherland", not "Motherland".[edit]

I'm sorry to ruin some people's world view, but there isn't a word "motherland" in Russian ("Родина" means birthplace literally), while both "Отечество" and "Отчизна" mean clearly "Fatherland" from "Отец" - "Father". Even in the reference website (http://www.montreal.mid.ru/inf_symb_e.html) there is an official translation with the word "Fatherland" in it, and yet on this Wiki page someone frantically keeps changing official "Fatherland" to this "Motherland"-nonsense. What is it if not a vandalism? 81.27.58.250 (talk) 17:28, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If the above is accurate, then State_Anthem_of_the_Soviet_Union should be updated accordingly, as it uses Motherland rather than Fatherland exclusively. Someone who speaks Russian (and can attest to the fact :p) should correct both articles accordingly. --TwoWholeWorms (talk) 23:35, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Joke Lyric Subtitles in the Infobox Video[edit]

I would like to draw people's attention to the subtitled lyrics included in the infobox video. Only two lines are included: "Russia, our big drinking fountain" and "Russia, our large pissy cup!" While amusing, this may not exactly be in line with the expected standards for the page. However, I have neither the energy nor the required skills to change this, so I shall leave it to the community to do with this information what they will. Mister Zoo (talk) 21:07, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 June 2016[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Move with support. MOS:CAPS also seems a reasonable argument for the move. (non-admin closure) — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 19:08, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

National Anthem of Russia → National anthem of Russia – The anthem has no title, as such the article should be titled with the general noun. Otherwise, it looks like this is the work title of the anthem (which could be the case).

There are quite some articles titled like this one, since this one as FA will probably get attention, let's do it here :) The Evil IP address (talk) 19:13, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Can we remove original research on Ukranian origin? Just seems bizarre.[edit]

The section in the article states: Another musical work has also been discovered, with identical or near-identical music, that long predates Alexandrov's 1943 involvement with the Anthem of the USSR. A Ukrainian Scouting (Plast) anthem from c. 1912, with music composed by Yuriy Piasećkiy (Юрій Пясецький) known as "Plastovy Obit" (Пластовий Oбіт - The Plast Oath), to lyrics by Plast founder Oleksander Tysovsky (Oлександр Тисовський) has been noted by Plast members to bear an extremely close or identical resemblance to the later Russian/Soviet anthem. The music and words are found in various Plast handbooks and songbooks, and a performance of this song in 2012 can be viewed on YouTube. The first line reads: "V pozhezhakh vsesvitnykh, u lunakh kryvavykh" - "В пожежах всесвітних, у лунах кривавих". The Piasetsky-Tysovsky anthem actually glorifies the Ukrainian independence movement, which had the support of the Plast organization.[28]

I believe this is the music the editor is referring to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeg94cqzeGs

I have listened to this piece of music and found that it is not identical or near identical - in fact it has nothing in common with the Russian Anthem - unlike a section of Vasily Kalinnikov's Ouverture «Bylina» - which in fact is near identical. Reaper7 (talk) 22:12, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Stalin's death (year)[edit]

The following line appears ambiguous "The anthem, mentioning Stalin by name, was used without lyrics after Stalin's death in 1956"

Now does this mean that Stalin died in 1956 or that it 'was used in 1956 without lyrics after Stalin's death (He died in 1953)?

Can someone please clarify?

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National anthem of Russia → State Anthem of the Russian Federation – For consistency with State Anthem of the Soviet Union, this is also the official name for the anthem with capitalization for every word of the proper noun, other article titles about the anthems of other countries use their official name just like "The Star-Spangled Banner" not "National anthem of the United States", "Lupang Hinirang" not "National anthem of the Philippines", and "Meniŋ Qazaqstanym" not "National anthem of Kazakhstan" PyroFloe (talk) 04:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose As far as the official name, the Kremlin uses "National Anthem". Some sources can probably be found for "State Anthem" (which would be a more literal translation of the original Russian Государственный гимн) but I don't believe you could make an argument that it is more common. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 04:53, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    According also to the official website of Russia (gov.ru) it's called the State Anthem of the Russian Federation [4]. As for the "common name", it maybe because it is a general term for any anthem of any country. PyroFloe (talk) 07:11, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The ref you linked is in Russian. This is the English version of that page, and it uses "National Anthem". 162.208.168.92 (talk) 15:17, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per WP:COMMONNAME. This song is most commonly referred to in the English media as the "National Anthem of Russia". If you're looking for consistency, I would support changing State Anthem of the Soviet Union to National Anthem of the Soviet Union on similar grounds.  Mysterymanblue  07:02, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Paul Vaurie (talk) 03:24, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Inaccuracy in translation[edit]

I made changes to the text of the translation in English and here's why:

"Твоё достоянье" [Tvoyo dostoyanye] not quite right to translate as "Your property". This word does have the meaning of "property inherited from ancestors", BUT in this case it's not about the land or something! It is used in the meaning of the acquired some qualities! "Will" and "glory" are not things - it's the qualities [from ancestors]! The word "достоянье" [dostoyanye] is impossible to accurately translate into English, since there is no single word that is close in meaning. Here the value is closer to "dignity, merit".

The word "Славься" [slavsya] in Russian is not a welcome form. The word "Hail" not good here at all! "Славься" - in this case is much more accurate like "будь в славе, будь прославленным (be in glory, be glorified)". In the Soviet anthem the the same words "Славься Отечество" was translated as "Sing to the Fatherland".

"наша верность Отчизне" [nasha vernost Otchizne] is incorrectly translated as "our loyalty to the Fatherland"! The word "верность" [vernost] here is the meaning of "преданность (fidelity, devotion)". In Russian language there is a word "лояльность (loyalty)" with the same meaning as in English, but it is not used in the hymn.

"Одна ты на свете! Одна ты такая — Хранимая Богом родная земля!" [Odna ty na svete! Odna ty takaya — Khranimaya Bogom rodnaya zemlya!] It is a little more complicated here, since it is not explicitly stated, but only the meaning is implied... It consists in the fact that the country is not "the only one kept by God", but "the only one [SO] kept by God." The word "хранимая Богом" is can be translated like "protected" but more precisely to say "kept". The meaning "You are the only one in the world! You are the only one - the native land protected by God!" - is conveyed only by a literal translation, without a complete notional translation!

This version of the hymn translation still not poetically accurate. AllexGER (talk) 15:18, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Popularity[edit]

From the article: Public perception of the anthem is positive among Russians. A 2009 poll showed that 56% of respondents felt proud when hearing the national anthem, and that 25% liked it.

The reference given now 404s so I can't confirm the survey results, but as written this doesn't exactly sound like positive perception if only 25% "like" it. Should it rather read, "56% felt proud, and an additional 25% liked it"? 

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