Talk:List of Knights Templar

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Naming[edit]

How about some standardized manner of listing the Knights? Some of these names have surnames in CAPS, some don't, some are neatly stacked, others are all jumbled... Missi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mississippienne (talk • contribs) 23:13, April 17, 2005

Keep Grand Masters and General List Separate[edit]

These really need to be separate as the GM list is already tainted with two individuals (Andre' de Montbard and Everard des Barres) who were regional leaders but probably not GMs. GMs must have resided in Jerusalem and these two did not, at least not during their terms.

Reason to exist of the list[edit]

The list of templars is important because, there are some people who try to make a link between templars after 1307 and other organisations. The question is: If no one mentioned after 1307 as templar was not in command position before 1307 where is the continuity? There was no Larmenius in templars comanderies, where is the link whith the templars? Larmenius Period

Merge[edit]

The Grand Master of the Knights Templar should probably be moved to Grand Masters of the Knights Templar, and linked from the main Knights Templar article, which currently has a duplicate of the information (except is better hyperlinked). Elonka 04:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A few things[edit]

This article requires three things, as I see it, to be appropiate to WIkipedia 1. A standardized manner of listing the Knights (as stated by Missi) - when one reads an entry here, he wants it to have a certain general appearence and order, so it will not look like a patchwork of writings. I suggest surnames capitalized completely, and first names only capitilized first letters. 2. Merging. This and Grand Masters of the Knights Templar should be merged, as these are both just plain lists, and of practicly the same subject. The above linked subject should just be a sub-list in this subject. 3. Information Verification and expansion. These are lists only, a long line of names, some linked, some don't. This Info should be verified with official documents and/or people and not Via the un-verified sites of the Internet. Also, it would be nice to incloud a small text about each one, Being a sort of Lexicon, rather then a plain list of links and/or names. XonoX 10:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Info about each would be good, as would some reference to credible sources. However, I'd suggest that the GM list be kept separate as more will be available for each of them (probably), and the info might be enough to justify a paragraph or so, and hopefully a link to a separate article. In accordance with English style, and with Internet style in which ALL CAPS is regarded as impolite shouting, I'd suggest first and last names, as well as titles, have intial caps only.
Further, it occurs to me that WP writers in other languages might be asked to assist as at least some of the (credible) source material will be in languages other than English and elsewhere in any case. The English WP could, of course, offer to return the favor and coordinate formats so that such information in the various WP might have a uniform appearance, thus saving everyone more typing (and us all from the consequent typos).
Comments? ww 07:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jehan de Vezelay[edit]

Jehan de Vezelay also known as the prohet Johannes of Jerusalem is missing. Interestingly, there is an article of it in the Albanian version of Wikipedia.

King Arthur and the Knights Templar[edit]

When I started reading the list, I was thinking in finding King Arthur, although I didn't find him. I was thinking, did King Arthur was connected to them, was one of the knights, or even be a Grand Master? I have some supporting information that could prove my affirmation, but I shall put them later. First, one detail, I've heard and studied some facts and events that made me think of King Arthur being one of the Knights Templar. One interesting thing is that both King Athur and his Knights of the Round Table, and the Knights Templar were having quests and some events including he Holy Grail at the same time period(which both powers ranged until the mid-1400s). If you guys please help me about this or have any opinion, I would be pleased to read it.

Mr. Mario192 - 1/26/07 (UFC)-(68.56.105.191 00:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC))[reply]


—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.56.105.191 (talk) 00:32, 27 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Are you joking? Adam Bishop 04:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup[edit]

I'm not sure it's worth keeping a list of every Knight Templar, considering that there were many thousands of them throughout their 200 years of existence. Perhaps we should limit the list to only those members who either have their own articles, or potentially could have their own articles someday, by being a Master of a local order or perhaps a key figure in a battle somewhere. What do others think? --Elonka 22:36, 3 April 2007 (UTC) I'm sure it is worth keeeping the list, considering that there are many organisations that claim that inherit the templars heritage, a list will leave the crooks no room for generic afirmations.CristianChirita 06:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New list[edit]

I've removed the following from the article: 

==Most important Templar Knights==

From [[England]]
* Sir Ralph St. Leger (1186 - 1202) 
* Sir Ralph St. Leger (son) served with his father 
* Sir Roger St. Leger, Master Templar 1216 
* Geoffrey son of Stephen, occurs 1180/1185 
* William de Beaulieu

From [[France]]
* Sir Jean De St. LEGER (1096) 
* Payen de MONTDIDIER (1130)
* Evrard des BARRES (1143 - 1147) 
* Guillaume de MALLAY (1286) 
* Jacques de Molay
* Hugues de Payens

From [[Poland]]
* Boleslavus Soltan
* Thibault from Halych 
* Mieszko from Lwów 
* Boleslawus Soltanowicius
* brat Fryderyk von Alvensleben 
* Jan from Halych 

From [[Germany]]
* Hugo de Gumbach
* Alban von Randecke Rhin 
* Friedrich Wildegraf Rhin

There may be some good information here, but without links or any kind of references, and by the fact that it was just dropped in at the very beginning of the page, I'm uncomfortable with leaving it there. Can anyone provide a source for how these knights are listed as the "most important" ones? --Elonka 21:32, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Concerns (still...)[edit]

Is this list ever going to be useful? Right now I'm not sure whether any of these people were Templars, or whether they are just the names of random people who thought it was funny to vandalize Wikipedia. We should just delete the whole thing. Adam Bishop (talk) 18:37, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup[edit]

I have done a bit of cleanup: Replaced ALL CAPs names with capitalised lower case versions, and replaced numbered lists with bulleted lists, except where it appears the numbered list is one of consecutive masters. It still lacks a coherent style, however, with some sections having dates first, some names, &c. If i feel like it and have time i'll take a look in a bit. Cheers, LindsayHi 05:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

France is not that old[edit]

Reading this article I noticed the list of countries is based on countries who exist today. A number of knights are listed to a country of which in those days they certainly did not belong to. Someone who lived in Lille in the 13th century lived in Flanders - ennemy of France. On this page this person is listed in France... A huge number of templer adherants (at least 2 of the original 9 knights) lived in Flanders - now part of Belgium. This region / country is not present in your list.

Kind regards, G. CLAES 29-04-2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.164.178.221 (talk) 15:09, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More than 10 years post factum, but... Well, basic history: the County of Flanders wasn't "the enemy" of France, it was part of France. Even though nowadays Vlaeminghskes want to deny this, it is a historical fact. Histarius (talk) 17:53, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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CAN A 32ED DEGREE MASON GET INTO[edit]

Can a 32nd Mason get in with THE KINGHTS,WITH NO PROBLEM!?

Lloyd 32 166.182.83.137 (talk) 22:19, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 December 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus for Knights Templar, moved for Knights of Columbus. (closed by non-admin page mover) feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 06:12, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]


– Fits better with similarly named articles:

Also more descriptive, less ambiguous naming that would avoid any potential conflict with MOS:JOBTITLES. Woko Sapien (talk) 22:39, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I'm not entirely familiar with either of these organizations beyond a basic knowledge that they exist, so my question would be is it common to refer to a member of each as a "Knight Templar" or a "Knight of Columbus". If so, then I would say it's best to keep as is. But if not, then I would support the move. estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:27, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't find much on the Knights Templar, but a cursory search found that the Knight of Columbus often refer to their individuals as members, and not as knights (1, 2, 3). Also, the literature here includes a mission statement that reads: “To actively engage Knights of Columbus members in order to aid the parish and sustain visible Catholic action through works of charity in every parish and mission throughout the Order, and in sustainable parishes to form the Round Table into a fully functioning Council.” Woko Sapien (talk) 15:35, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Templar move, no opinion on KoC. Srnec (talk) 17:28, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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