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Parshurama[edit]

Infact Parshurama was nowhere in the History of Goa. Something that is recently written in'Scandpuran' don't have any scope for the history. Scandpuran's whenabout is itself a question. Gawada tribes are living in Goa since thousands of years; infact they are aborigin. Parashuram has no mention in its vocal traditional culture. Dr. Dinesh Zalmi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.17.98.80 (talk) 10:21, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please Remove Parshurama related history about Goa. You are presenting wrong history about Goa. Parshurama related history about Goa is proved wrong long back and now no one is ready to relate his name to the history of Goa. Then why and how have you presented this wrong information... Please do the needful or atleast provide me the evidence that you about your statements... (dineshjalmi@gmail.com) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.47.237 (talk) 08:32, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Infighting[edit]

Unfortunately, a whole lot of religion-tinged infighting creeping into how we understand and narrate our history. Can't a NPOV be mentioned here? The impression one gets on reading this -- Muslim bad guys, Hindus the victims, Portuguese the aggressors always out to finish local religion and culture. I think history is more complex than that, though there are many unpleasant aspects to history which we all need to come to terms with. A special appeal to the moderators -- please take note of the religious bigotry that is growing in South Asia (on all sides, in all religions) that shouldn't get an encouragement from laudable and well-intentioned initiatives like Wikipedia! PS: On the other hand, there is also an attempt to glorify the Portuguese rule, or criticise India through subtle words inserted strategically. Can Wikipedia work to get a really NPOV which is acceptable to all, regardless of our perspectives, politics, beliefs and religious backgrounds? This will be the real test for Wikipedia. ('--fredericknoronha 21:26, 22 May 2005 (UTC)',,)[reply]

POV[edit]

This article is full of POV that is alternatingly pro-Portuguese and pro-Hindu/anti-Portuguese/whatever. Even the references are annoted with remarks such as "A patriotic critique of Indian imperialism and colonialism in Goa", "An Indianist account in English" and "A patriotic account in Portuguese". Is there any reason this article should not get a POV tag? --Kunal (talk) 14:52, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've nominated this article for a POV check as per my previous comment. Some specific parts that I believe violate the NPOV rule are:

  • "Albuquerque and his successors left almost untouched the customs and constitutions of the thirty village communities on the island, only abolishing the rite of sati (widow-burning)." This passage seems unnecessarily pro-Portuguese and contrary to other evidence (see Goa Inquisition).
  • "This angered the Portuguese authorities, who formed a heinous plan, a method frequently used by the Europeans to capture the small Indian towns and villages." - (Emphasis mine)
  • "Goan Freedom Movement, Nehru's Aggression Condemned - A patriotic critique of Indian imperialism and colonialism in Goa." - (Emphasis mine)
  • "Dr. Prakashchandra P. Shirodcar, Goa's Struggle For Freedom - An Indianist account in English." - (Emphasis mine)
  • "Advocado A.A. Bruto da Costa, Um caso para a indignacao da humanidade ocorrido em Goa, 1972 - A patriotic account in Portuguese." - (Emphasis mine)

--Kunal (talk) 15:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is a POV, but should be cleaned up as soon as possible. =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:06, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is POV and Bharatveer makes it worse. I just reverted his last changes. Otto 20:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Under Indian rule, Goan voters went to the polls in a referendum and voted to become an autonomous, federally administered territory" - This sentence is disingenuous. Goans were never given the option of being part of India or not, the Opinion Poll was about Goa being merged with Maharashtra or remaining a separate entity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.186.193 (talk) 11:35, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite of the leed, or opener . . .[edit]

Hello, all. It is not that I disagree with Deepak D'Souza. It's just that I think he should have submitted his rewritten version of the leed at the same time as he effected the rather large deletion. It just seems that the leed is too sketchy for such a big subject right now. I wait eagerly for the substitute opener, which I hope will be available shortly. Sincerely, a fellow editor, GeorgeLouis (talk) 19:11, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that, will do it soon.--Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 19:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Freedom fighters in Goa[edit]

I just found this brief, orphaned article about the Goa Liberation Movement; I was going to propose it for deletion, but then I realised it does have some content worth keeping, so have suggested a merge into this page instead. If anyone wants to integrate the useful content from that page into this one, please feel free to do so. Terraxos (talk) 19:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support merge, good idea. And the merge tag should not have been removed. Itsmejudith (talk) 21:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Conquest and Colonisation[edit]

I've added "and Colonisation" to the title of this section as it describes the period of Portugese rule, not just the initial conquest. Epeeist smudge (talk) 09:17, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jews in Goan history[edit]

A notable Jew population once existed in Goa.They had settled in Goa before advent of the Portuguese.They had their own Synagogues and enjoyed freedom.Many of them were native Goans whereas part of them were Palestinian migrants who spoke Spanish language.[1] As a part of Inquisition many Jews were killed and most of them fled to Cochin in Kerala.[2]Most of the jews were later baptized by the missionaries,and the Synagogues were converted to Churches.

Citations[edit]

  1. ^ Donald F. Lach, Edwin J. Van Kley (1993). Asia in the Making of Europe, Volume III: A Century of Advance. Book 2, South Asia, Volume 3. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. pp. 568 pages(See page:847). ISBN 0226467546, 9780226467542. {{cite book}}: Check |isbn= value: invalid character (help)
  2. ^ T.V, Parasuram (1982). India's Jewish heritage. the University of Michigan: Sagar Publications. pp. 136(see page:67).
Not true. There aren't any records of a Jewish presence in Goa at the time of the Portuguese conquest in 1510. Contemporary historical records have shown that the only practicing Jews in Goa were some Sephardic Jews who had emigrated from Portugal to Goa during the 1500s, believing that the distance would allow them to practice Judaism without interference. The launch of the Goa Inquisition in 1560 led all of them to flee to other parts of India that were more tolerant (Cochin, Madras, etc.). The few Jews who may have been executed by the Inquisition would have been those Jews who had falsely converted to Christianity but continued to practice Judaism in secret, got caught by the Inquisition, recanted, and then relapsed. The auto-da-fé lists for Goa reveal that all the 57 executed from 1560 to 1821 were burned as relapsed heretics or for sodomy.

Confusion[edit]

This article needs a major overhaul. I'm in the process of cleaning up the spelling and grammar errors, but there are a lot of sentences that don't make any sense. The attention of an expert is needed, I think. Pascal (talk) 10:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello fellow Wikipedians, I have edited/added events leading to Democracy in Goa Indian annexation of Goa Following the end of Portuguese rule in 1961, Goa was placed under military administration headed by Lt. Gen. Candeth as Lt. Governor . But on 8 June 1962, military rule was replaced by civilian government when the Lt. Governor nominated an informal Consultative Council of 29 nominated members to assist him in the administration of the territory. Roqui Santan an influential member of the native Velliapura royal family Velim, Goa but was a reluctant royal opposed the nominations by Lt.Governor. Claming that all 29 members nominated to run administration were pro-Portuguese, on June 10th 1962 RoquiSantan went on fast unto death, “Satyagraha” infront of Historical Margao Municipality Bldg. Three days into it when thousands of Goans demonstrated, closed down streets and shouted slogans against the Lt.Governor Prime Minister Nehru intervened into this first ever post-liberation Goan unrest and persuaded him to end his Satyagraha with a promise to fulfill his demand. Mr. Nehru send his close friend Mr.Gopal Handoo to Velim, Goa to meet this Prince of Goa. Roqui Santan proposed early Democracy for Goans by marking Assembly and Parliamentary constituencies. After his meet with PM Nehru in New Delhi the mega process for democracy in Goa was started , the previous civil service was soon restored, immediately Goa's first polls were held on 9 December 1963 even though Goa did not belong to India and for this Shri RoquiSantan is popularly know as 'Father of Goan Democracy' . It was only after the Luso-Indo treaty that Goa became a part of India. That too the treaty was not in consultations with the Goans, the indigenous people. Goa celebrates "Liberation Day" on 19 December every year, which is also a state holiday. 104.207.219.150 (talk) 22:52, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]


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Hello fellow Wikipedians, when you hit/click the reference please scroll down to this title:- ‘Roque Santana anniversary observed ‘ [1]. Herald, PANJIM, 11th Jun 2013: The 51st anniversary of the ‘Father of Goan Democracy’ late Roque Santana Fernandes who went on an indefinite hunger strike in Margao in 1962 which resulted in elections being declared for the first time in Goa in December 1963 was observed in Velim, Monday.

The late Roque Santana resorted to a fast unto death demanding that elected members and not appointed ones should represent Goa in Parliament, with the result that Gopal Handoo, adviser to then Lt Governor of Goa met him at the instance of then prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru. He gave up the strike, met Nehru and it was agreed to hold elections for the first time in Goa in 1963. It is for the democratic fight that he was hailed as the `Father of Goan Democracy.’

Late Roque Santana was subsequently elected to Goa Assembly twice in 1967 and 1971 and was awarded Tambra Patra for his contribution for Goa’s freedom. Decan.reporter (talk) 15:59, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello fellow Wikipedians, This is the press release by Kadamba Coterie after their sentiments were hurt in Velliapura in 2013. Velim, 11 kilometers from Margao, South Goa. Dec. 21st 2013. [2] Mr.Venkatesha A. Upadhiaya today submitted a memorandum to the President of India Mr.Pranab Mukherjee, Prime Minister Mr.Manmohan Singh and Mr. Pravin Srivastava of Archeological Survey of India ASI, demanded to immediately acquire and save the 12th century, Kadamba Jayakeshi Southern Capital Velimpura site which is also the cremation ground of the last Ruler of Hangal located in present day Velim, South Goa a place of National Interest? from the possession of Mrs Ana Emerita, widow of a great Goan, late Roqiue Santana charging her for constructing on the scared grounds, denying access by locking the compound gates and playing regional card with the pilgrims from the neighboring villages of Karnataka who visit Velim once a year, a centuries old practice and as part of the Banavasi festival celebrations to pay their respect to the 1368AD Velimpura cremation ground of Purandarai-Deva the ruler of Hangal.


Warning the locals who were present here today not to be silent spectators to injustice done to the glorious historical past Mr. Upadhiaya a native of Belgaum lamented while reacting to regionalism that prior to his death in 2007 Roqiue Santana like his father in Portuguese colonial times always gave a warm welcome and supply of drinking water as a gesture of respect to the Kannada visitors at the site. Roqiue Santana popularly known as Father of Goa’s Democracy was the local elected representative to liberated Goa legislative Assembly. No doubt this family is Goan, like thousands of Goans they are of Deccan origin too?. Mr. Upadhiaya said.


Earlier, a man who walked up behind the secured gates calling himself the security for the Roqiue Santana family charged last years pilgrims of criminal mischief, theft and robbery as important antiques went missing following last Dec. pilgrims visit and said that the family has moved out of this country and ordered the driver of the tour bus to get going. Leading the pilgrims Mr. Upadhiaya? 82, denied? the allegation here today in Velim saying? that we are always protective of the family and do respect their privacy and recollected his family?s ancestors ties as Sarva-Karyakartas meaning chief secretary, a hereditary appointment up to the time when Governor of Madras presidency George Harris under Lord Dalhousie administration confiscated the Haliyal Timber and Construction Lime Co. goods of Roqiue Santan’s greatgrand father in Nov of 1855. Mr. Upadhiaya held that most of the pilgrims are the descendants of the? family?s Haliyal compound work force. Historians hold that Haliyal yard was basically? Goa? ruling Reigns Armoury and is today converted into Haliyal Bus Terminal. In his memorandum he urged Archeological? Survey Of India (ASI) to atleast save this Velim landmark for future generations.


According to this famous historical source held sacred by Hangal Coterie, Purandarai ruler of Hangal and family on the eve of his fall in 1347 secretly traveled over night to joined his daughter who herself took shelter in safer Jayakeshi Velimpura compound in 1345 when her husband was assassinated by Mohammedans at present day Chandor. A second wall stone Kannada inscription dated 1396 in the Velim compound marks the death and cremation of? Veenomai-Devi beauty and wife of? Suriya-Deva, slain Sovereign at Chandrapur palace, daughter of Late Purandaraideva, Kadambarasa of Hangal confirms this history. It can be infered from the Velim inscription that Goa Kadamba Suriya-Deva son of Beera, was married to the nearby royal bride who was his distance cousin. Mr. Upadhiaya said. Before adopting Portuguese Catholicism

Mr. Upadhiaya said. Before adopting Portuguese Catholicism this Velimpura family’s ancestors had given up worship in their temples for fear of Mohammedan trap, reinvented themselves as Haliyal timber lords where converted by Orthodox Nasranis of Malabar in early1400s.Some of the Syrian origin worship items and anointing oil alabastrons saved by Upadhiaya's great grand father and moved to Belgaum after the 1855 British confiscation of Haliyal compound is convincing evidence. Further, quoting Kannada stone inscriptions on Konkan sea pirate Timu 'enemy turned friend' recovered from present day Haliyal Bus stand tell that Timu in those crucial years provided protection for their ancestors in return for timber for his shipbuilding needs had exploited this converts fear issue and used Portuguese forces to drive Mohammedans away and enforced his Timu administration in Goa in 1510. The Portuguese? in a while overpowered Timu and colonized Goa. It is a well known historical conclusion that this Christian connection attracted early Jesuits including Francis Xavier to visit Velliapura first for refreshment before traveling inland for conversions, he added.

Prof. Nilkanth Sah Paddaam in this press release said here today that a six member delegation headed by Mr. Upadhiaya is leaving for New Delhi tomorrow to follow up with his memorandum. Dec/2013 Deccan Herald, Press Release/Nilkanth Sah Paddaam, Belgaum. Decan.reporter (talk) 15:59, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "RoquSantana 'Father of Goan Democracy". Retrieved 10 Jan 2018.
  2. ^ "Press release by Kadamba coterie". Retrieved 10 Jan 2018.

July 2018 - Copy editing and improvements[edit]

As a C-class article, there are many gaps in the information provided in this article. It also requires copyediting and cleanup. I have some experience helping out with GoCE articles. I'm going to try to work on this article to help improve it toward being B-class, but I expect it to take a while. --scribbleink ᗧHᗣT 05:06, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

About annexation of Goa[edit]

Republic of India did not annexed Goa but liberated it from Portuguese rule. Looks like Portuguese friend has written this wikepedia so unnecessary words are used here which are regretting. 103.79.255.31 (talk) 06:52, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Annexation reflects the title of the main article on the subject. Also the word "annexation" is a netural point of view. Goa could not have been liberated' in a techincal sense because it had never been part of the state of modern India.

Also the nationality of the writer should have nothing to do with the merits of the content.

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