Talk:Treaty on Open Skies

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Although open skies was never directly implemented, the designation of space as international territory from which reconnaissance was permitted, allowed for the survelliance and confidence building which are originally envisoned by the open skies treaty.

AFAIK, the designation of space as "international territory from which reconnaissance was permitted" predates the Open Skies Treaty by a fair bit, and dates back to the 1960s. It really had nothing to do with OST AFAIK. -- SJK

Yes, and as the article says, Open Skies was first proposed in 1955. It wasn't implemented then, and as spysats became more common, it became unnecessary. By the bye, I copied this article verbatim from a (public domain) USAF site. The opinions expressed are those of the Junior Birdmen themselves -- I am not making this stuff up. I've put the line back in.

Fine, but where you had that sentence located, you gave the impression you were talking about the actual Treaty itself, instead of the proposal for it. The Treaty may have been a proposal since the 1950s, but the Treaty itself was not signed until 1992. And anyway, the treaty (legally at least, if not in practice) has been implemented now, long after the origination of spysats... -- SJK

Is the entire territory really accessible?[edit]

The treaty specifies that the entire territory of a State Party is open to observation.
Does this mean that the Russians are able to conduct surveillance of Area 51? And we can do the same with other top-secret installations in their territory? Or does this treaty use "kid gloves" on strategic assets? And does it allow aircraft to operate independently of air traffic control or just use ATC flight following? More clarification is needed. -Rolypolyman (talk) 16:58, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's two years later, and I have the same question. American citizens can't climb the mountains around Area 51, but Russians can fly a surveillance plane over it?--Prosfilaes (talk) 14:31, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And two years later here is the answer, from the State Department Article by Article Analysis of the Open Skies Treaty Exec Report 103-5.
"According to the Treaty, observation flights may be restricted only for reasons of flight safety, and not for reasons of national security, The Treaty makes clear, in particular, that a mission plan for an observation flight may allow for the observation of any point on the entire territory of the observed party, including those areas designed by the observed party as hazardous airspace" (i.e., areas that are defined to be "prohibited areas," "restricted areas," or "danger areas" in accordance with the Convention on International Civil Aviation"
Available at http://www.state.gov/t/avc/cca/os/106812.htm Jbhunley (talk) 17:26, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Quotas section - EIF term introduced but not defined elsewhere.[edit]

Could someone please modify the section so the EIF acronym is explained? Either a definition near the term or put it in parenthesis after the initial use of the term in the article would be appreciated. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.42.214.227 (talk) 11:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The real reason Khrushchev opposed Open Skies?[edit]

In an interview on C-SPAN years ago (1998?) Nikita Khrushchev's son (Sergei) stated that the reason his father opposed the Open Skies proposal was that he was afraid the US would discover how week the USSR was, which would seriously effect its position in the Cold War. Doesn't anyone have a citation for this in one of his books?209.179.51.140 (talk) 01:36, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That may have been a factor, but probably more fundamental was that "open skies" was completely contradictory to the basic axioms and way of thought of the Soviet governing classes... AnonMoos (talk) 12:55, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Why? I don't think either West or East had a monopoly on paranoid secrecy, nor on keeping information secret from the people that they knew the other side knew. Knowing what I knew about the US government, I was stunned when finding out about the Treaty on Open Skies. Given that with the U-2, we discovered that the USSR was a lot weaker then the US thought, Khrushchev claiming that as his justification seems quite likely.--Prosfilaes (talk) 04:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Active quota / Passive quota[edit]

The article does not do a good job clarifying the two terms

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Proposed merge with Open Skies Consultative Commission[edit]

insufficient for a separate article DGG ( talk ) 00:44, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Donation request repeatedly even after giving.[edit]

Repeatedly requesting donations after money has been sent. You don't give me the opportunity to say I already gave. It's annoying and delaying. 174.255.66.139 (talk) 20:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Parts of the article remain from when the US and Russia were still participants[edit]

Two of many examples "Russia also uses a Tu-154M-ON monitoring aircraft." "The United States is entitled to 8 of the 31 annual flights available over Russia/Belarus. Additionally, the United States is entitled to one flight over Ukraine, which is shared with Canada." I assume ths because nobody got around to changing it.

Lenbrazil (talk) 01:39, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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