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Philip Jose[edit]

Do you know how hard it is to resist the urge to add Philip José Farmer to the list of famous farmers? - wonko 15:48, Aug 26, 2003 (UTC)

3 complaints[edit]

A) all the notable farmers but one are American (too much regional bias). Consider that most human beings that have ever lived in the history of the plant earth were farmers. They lived in all parts of the globe and during all epochs of history for the last 6000 years. Limiting your list of farmers to a few US presidents is ridiculous in the extreme. The List should be deleted, or limited to people famous FOR farming, rather then famous people who happened to farm.

B) a separate article "agriculturalist" should be split off from this article for people who study agriculture in a scholarly or professional way.

Kevlar67 14:28, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A list of 5 or six names is hardly too long for this article. If the list were dozens, a separate list would be advisable. Carter, the "peanut farmer from Georgia", and Jefferson, an early advocate of scientific farming, were indeed both famous for farming. Adding famous farmers from other cultures is encouraged - no one has limited the list to only include U.S. Presidents. Rmhermen 14:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say the list was too long. I said I couldn't possibly be long enough to do justice to all the possible farmers who could be included. If you really want me to start naming all the famous farmers I can think of, then I will. But I can see this turning into nasty fight about whether people who aren't as famous as ex-presidents, are famous enough or not. I'll just start with Grant MacEwan (agriculturalist, writer, politician), Herbert Greenfield (Premier of Alberta, leader of the United Farmers of Alberta), and Iwan Pylypow Ukrainian Canadian pioneer.
I have no complaints about the first two, although Greenfield's article only implies that he was a farmer, it doesn't elaborate - which I think Jefferson's article fails at also. The third doesn't seem particularly famous for anything. Rmhermen 17:07, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well he's famous for 8 being a "first". Just like the Mayflower pilgrims. Anyway, here are some more famous farmers: Tony Martin (farmer), Michael Eavis, Sidney Kidman, Thomas Chirnside, James Tyson, Masanobu Fukuoka, Rudolf Steiner, J. G. Boswell, and Lee Kyung Hae. And then of course there's Category:American farmers, if those aren't enough for you. Kevlar67 00:30, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think we need to dispute neturality. I'm goin to add the "POV Section template" until there' an agreeable sense of global integrity and neutrality here.
--lincalinca 23:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It strikes me as futile to try to come up with an encyclopedic list of "notable farmers" or even "farmers in fiction." I am deleting both. If someone wants to retrieve the info and start a separate list on either topic, be my guest. But WP:NOT#INFO. -- Rob C (Alarob) 05:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

C) The article ignores that in developing countries (even more than in developed ones) there is a huge differece beetween "farmers" (who own big plots of land) and "peasants" (who usually work for a farm owner). This is the most common farming system in those countries, while subsistence farming (not akin to gardening, as the text suggests) is increasingly marginal.

Bold text[edit]

I believe the page is visually crap due to the abuse of bold tags. I'd much rather see use of italics where bold has been used. An article doesn't have flow and is disjuncted when it uses bold text within a sentence. I'm going to remove them all and replace them with italics until I can be convinced that it belongs like it is. --lincalinca 23:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Someone (perhaps unregistered user 80.47.64.148) has been inserting the (bolded) words "Dennis Slade" and "e.g. Dennis Slade" at various points in the article. Removed the one I saw today; there are other instances in the article's history. Athaenara talk 03:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Exclusion of livestock and poultry farmers[edit]

The definition of farmer seems to exclude dairy farmers, poultry farmers etc., by explicitly only including crop farmers. I believe that the word farmer includes those who rear livestock for meat or e.g. eggs or wool. OED says "a person who owns or manages a farm" and defines "farm" as "an area of land and its buildings used for growing crops and rearing animals".

I believe the definition should say that farmers grow crops or raise animals, and then in a subsequent paragraph go on to explain the alternative names for some sort of farmer (e.g. rancher). In fact these alternative names are regional, as the text begins to acknowledge. Rachel Pearce (talk) 20:47, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


I came to the talk page first, so haven't yet read the article to see if you've already made that change, but I tend to agree. Were they excluded or omitted? I'll go read it. Also, some people are farming coat hangers, chairs, and art!: arborsculpture. Uh-oh. Duff (talk) 14:05, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do we even need 'farmer'?[edit]

I thought about this when the article was first nominated for TAFI, but then just decided to run with it anyways. My thing is, do we usually have separate articles for a thing, and then another for the name of the occupation that does that thing? Compare with, for example, Carpentry, which covers both carpentry and carpenter. I haven't checked many examples, so I don't know which one is more common. Either way, I'm not sure how much there is to write about strictly farmers. I may be totally wrong... this isn't my area of specialty. What do we all think about this?--Coin945 (talk) 12:31, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think "farmer" is unique historically. I would personally call hunting and gathering roles, which would make farming the first occupation. The importance of the farmer throughout history is immense (look at the United States in the early 20th century) and is an occupation that includes a very different range of people and actions from around the world. Ryan Vesey 13:39, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, farming is the first and foremost of my occupation, labor and civilation. The nurturing of trees, crops, shrub and livestock was instinctive to man therefore bring about the culture of farming. The holy scriptures historically illuminates on how man tiled the soil and offered burnt offerings of livestock. Dawn1002 (talk) 03:16, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:ENGVAR[edit]

The article twice uses labor, once uses labourer, and once uses "specialized labour force". I didn't notice any "-ise" endings. Therefore, we're stuck on a mix of en:us and en:gb with Oxford spelling. I'm putting it on en:us, but you should feel free to put it on en:gb or en:gb with Oxford spelling (don't worry about WP:RETAIN, since it's hardly a big deal in my opinion) as long as you keep it all consistent one way or another. Nyttend backup (talk) 16:03, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Do we need this article?[edit]

The Agriculture article already contains all of this information in a well-developed, organized, and coherent form. This page is of extremely low quality. The structure is disorganized, there are dozens of grammatical errors, links are missing, and ultimately nothing of value can be found on this page. Anyone who arrives at this page will be tremendously disappointed - it is a stark contrast to the usual quality of Wikipedia. As I feel that this page provides no value and is beyond repair, I think we should remove the article entirely. Mc1123 (talk) 20:55, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Someone improperly translated this page from Hindi, it used to be better. I think someone with rollback rights might be able to fix it. Runawayangel (talk) 19:32, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Damage repaired but translation was never part of it. Rmhermen (talk) 21:27, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's what seemed to be the case when I checked the history anyway, that someone had created the Hindi version and then translated that version to English, overwriting the old version. Runawayangel (talk) 22:48, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Mc1123: Having looked at a lot of career/job pages, this one isn't great but there are many that are far worse. And it is read by about 600 people/day (over 200,000/year), presumably because of things like kids wanting to learn more about farming who don't know to google for "agriculture". So please help pitch in and fix it :) —Luis (talk) 15:50, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed with others about keeping an article dedicated to farmers. The farmer and farmworker articles seem to have a lot of overlapping scope / redundancy though. Maybe we could at least combine those two? --Jay.Jarosz (talk) 11:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative "farming group" image for future reference[edit]

I put in a somewhat silly but (to me) somewhat charming/fun picture of a farming group. If someone doesn't like it, or if the article is eventually enlarged enough to merit a second picture of this type, here's an alternative option. —Luis (talk) 15:51, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why just female percentage?[edit]

In my opinion you don't need to put the female percentage, or should put a male percentage as well. Putting just the female percentage is weird, and out of place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:5790:1810:ECF4:5492:5FF5:66AC (talk) 17:55, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Farmer vs Farmworker[edit]

The farmer and farmworker articles seem to have a lot of overlapping scope. Thoughts on combining the two? Jay.Jarosz (talk) 11:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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