Talk:Madoc

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Dunno why I'm editing something that needs merging, but the link in "Several local guest houses and pubs are called Prince Madoc in his memory. However, according to http://www.birch.net/~gbyron/kin/wales/page6.html " is dead. The "Porthmadog named after Madocks, not Madoc" thing is fairly well-established, but if you want a source, http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/historyhunters/locations/pages/4_2_the_cob.shtml will do. That paragraph is still a little confusing, though. Are the local pubs local to Wales, to Porthmadog, or to North America? I presume not the last, but haven't changed the wording there because I am not sure, although I altered quite a lot of the rest of the paragraph. -- Telsa 08:44, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Both merge notices on the Madog ap Owain Gwynedd and this page say the other is going to end as the ultimate home of the information. Which is it?

Third trip

• Our article says, and stated he was never to return to Wales again. What words in the reference would make one believe or even think this?
• Our article also says, Although the folklore tradition acknowledges that no witness ever returned from the second colonial expedition to report this, the story continues that Madoc's colonists travelled up the vast river systems of North America, raising structures and encountering friendly and unfriendly tribes of Native Americans... How could this have been known then if it had not been reported back to Wales and England in a third trip by witnesses? Those events only happened after the second trip.--LordGorval (talk) 19:03, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

  @LordGorval but there were zero trips.Doug Weller talk 20:32, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Letter

Adding this for future reference, I'm respecting other editor's wishes for it not to be included in the main article.. however, it is still important enough to keep a log of.

"These presents may certify all presons whatever, that in the year 1660, being an inhabitant of Virginia, and Chaplain to Major General Bennet, of Mansoman county, the said Major Bennet and Sir William Berkeley sent two ships to Port Royal, now called South Carolina, which is sixty leagues to the Southward of Cape-fair, and I was sent therewith to be their Minister. Upon the 8th of April we set out from Virginia, and arrived at the harbour's mouth of port Roal the 19th of the same month, where we waited for the rest of the fleet that was to sail from Barbadoes and Bermuda with one Mr.West, who was to be Deputy Govenor of the said place. As soon as the fleet came in, the smallest vessels that were with us sailed up the river to a place called the Oyster Point. There I continued about eight months, all of which time being almost starved for want of provisions, I, and five more, travelled through the wilderness, till we came to the Tuscorara Country. There the Tuscorara Indians took us prisoners, because we told them that we were bound to Roanock. That night they carried us to their town, and shut us up close to our no small dread. The next day they entered into consultation about us, which after it was over their interpreter told us that we must prepare ourselves to die next morning. Whereupon being very much dejected, and speaking to this effect in the British tongue, - "Have I escaped so many dangers, and must I now be knocked on the head like a dog!" then presently an Indian came to me, which afterwards appeared to be a War Captain belonging to the Sachem of the Doegs, (whole original I find must needs be from the Old Britons,) and took me up by the middle, and told min in the British language, "You shall not die," and thereupon went to the Emperor of Tulcorara, and agreed for my ransom, and the men that were with me. They then welcomed us very civilly and cordially for four months; during which time I had the opportunity of conversing with them familiarly in the British language, and did preach to them three times in the week in the same language; and they would confer with me about any thing that was difficult therein; and at our departure, they abundantly supplied us with whatever was necessary to our support and well-doing. Thy are settled upon Pontigo River, not far from Cape Atros. This is a brief recital of my travels among the Doeg Indians. - Morgan Jone, the son of John Jones, of Basaleg, near Newport, in the county of Monmouth. I am ready to conduct any Welshman, or others, to the country. New York, March 10th, 1685-6."

Hereford Journal - Wednesday, 4 May 1791

Hogyncymru (talk) 04:47, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

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