Talk:1906 Intercalated Games

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Decade[edit]

Paris, 1900
During the World exposition; games lasted from may 14 until october 28.
St. Louis, 1904
During the World's Fair; games lasted from july 1 until november 23.
Athens 1906
No longer official, making dates a bit less accessible; games possibly lasted from april 22 until may 2.
London, 1908
During the Franco-British Exhibition; games lasted from april 27 until oktober 31.

If the description on the page is insufficient, we could include more of this to clarify.

Aliter 16:38, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Riiight, I assumed the decade in question was 1896-1906. I'd never heard of the Franco-British Exhibition (1908). I've referenced it on the 1908 Summer Olympics page and clarified this (1906) page accordingly. Joestynes

Worded a bit milder, and a pity we lose the decade as a periode, but much clearer, yes. Thanks. Aliter 19:40, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Medal count[edit]

As a result from the attitude of the IOC, medal information is more scarce for the 1906 than for other games. I don't have access to the individual results, so I took results I encountered more than once. However, other totals also given. Also, I didn't want to take a position in the Turko-Greek conflict, hence, as I mentioned, I left two results out. This is not the ultimate word on the subject. However, to keep thing clear it would be wise to motivate here any changes you make to the count. After all, few people will be willing to accept that medals just fall from the sky or are swallowed by the earth. Aliter 01:35, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Please elaborate on this. Did all the Greek regions participate as individual teams? matturn 10:27, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I added pages for each sport to present individual winners (ecept football, it was already there). I added Smyrna and Thessaloniki medals to Turkey because both cities were in Ottoman hands at the time, and the Greek governement was still not trying to get it back (They got back Thessaloniki only in 1912). As Ottoman citizen, they went to the game as their own, reprensenting cities and not ethnicity (in this way we couldn't put them in the Greek count). I also added South Africa, but I'll verify the origin of Vincent Dunker (bronze medalist in 110 m Hurdles). Finally, must we separate Great Britain and Ireland?Souris2005 14:52, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There were actual national teams starting at 1906. Our article should reflect that and use the teams, just as we use the modern national teams. Greece was a single team, though I have seen sources that divide Greek results by city. I'm not entirely sure, but I believe that competitors from Smyrna and Thessaloniki competed on a team known as "Turkish Empire" which is typically shortened to "Turkey", though that's probably a worse misnomer than the use of "Great Britain" (short for Olympics-official "Great Britain and Northern Ireland", which is at least a proper if uncommon way to shorten the official name) to refer to the United Kingdom. On the UK, "Great Britain and Ireland" is the team for which British/Irish athletes competed; they should be combined.
Also, I checked on de: for the 110 metre hurdles bronze medallist, there listed as Vincent Duncker. Apparently (from what I can decipher of German--not the most reliable translation), he was born in South Africa to German parents, never became a German national, but lived in Germany from 1904 to 1908 (i.e., the relevant period). I'm pretty sure South Africa wasn't one of the 20 teams--the current medal table looks right except for the omission of Egypt, who didn't win any medals--my guess is that Duncker competed on the German team. Nationality doesn't always determine which country/team an athlete represents (true now, even; see Mia Audina). -- Jonel | Speak 07:51, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Term Intercalated[edit]

The word "intercalated" is neither linked nor defined in this article. Also, the definition wiki provides is absolutely inadequate to explain what it means in this context.

I've linked to Intercalated Games, which does a bit better job of explaining it. — Jonel | Speak 02:50, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Main Image[edit]

Is there any type of main image anyone can get for this to make this look similar to the other pages of the Olympic Games?

A program cover, official logo, etc.?

Ireland[edit]

The 1906 games also saw the first separate Irish team compete in the Olympics. The squad of three men travelled at their own expense from ireland to Athens to represent Ireland, but at the last minute were incorporated into the British team. When Peter O'Connor won silver in the long jump, he quickly ran an Irish flag up the flagpole during the medal ceremony. The Irish tricolour had yet to be designed at the time, so the old green 'Éireann go Brágh' flag was used. Permission to add this to the main page, and rectify the medal count accordingly? eiscir 18:27, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Intercalated Games?[edit]

There is a tag on the article saying "It has been suggested that this article or section be merged with Intercalated Games. (Discuss)" but I cannot see any such suggestion or discussion anywhere. Am I in the wrong place?

  • For the record, I vote No. Scolaire 23:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am keeping the articles separate, but moving some sections (such as what happened in the 1910 and 1914 Games) over to the main (Intercalated) article. --Leviel 10:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Football teams[edit]

This part: The silver medal for the team from Smyrna and the bronze medal for the team from Thessalonica in the football event were won by ethnic Greeks competing for Greece, despite both cities being Ottoman possessions at the time. is a complete mistake. Smyrna didn't win the silver, Thessalonica didn't win the bronze, and in Smyrna team there was not a single Greek (in fact there was not a single Turkish person too). --Jakas1 (talk) 12:57, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus on "Olympic Games"[edit]

It's a sad day when people believe that "Olympic Games" only refers to the IOC Olympic Games. Notably excluding the original Ancient Olympic Games and the first modern revival of the Olympic Games that were sponsored by Evangelis Zappas. Neither does "Modern Olympic Games" exclusively refer to the IOC Olympic Games. Nor can they since the Olympic Games sponsored by Zappas includes the Athens 1896 Olympic Games. It's funny that isn't it. The men who paid for the Olympic Games of 1859, 1870, 1875 and 1896 (including Konstantinos Zappas and George Averoff) are ignored and a French Baron who put in zero funding in to the Athens 1896 Olympic Games, and who wasn't the IOC President at that time, gets all the credit. Thanks to so-called "consensus" opinion. Nuff said. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 13:21, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That is not the "consensus" opinion, that is the fact. When people today hear of the Olympics, they either think of the ancient games or the modern IOC games. It's doubtful that more than a couple of thousands actually know of the Zappas Olympics, and both in common usage and scholarly usage, the latter are always distinguished as being different from the IOC games (since, well, they were different in nature, and lumping them together is like saying that apples and oranges are the same because they both come under the heading "fruit"). You don't like it, we get it. This does not give you liberty to push your own opinion however or make edits in articles or talk pages solely to make a point. Constantine ✍ 20:11, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nice to know that the Ancient Olympic Games is included in "Olympic Games". However, Zappas did fund the 1896 Olympic Games too and so did his cousin Konstantinos Zappas. So Zappas funded 1859, 1870, 1875, and 1896. Oops, the Zappas series of Olympic Games is longer than consensus opinions. Moreover, when the Greek government, through the crown prince, asked George Averoff to pay for the second refurbishment of the Panathenaic stadium. They did so knowing full well that Evangelis Zappas had fully funded the refurbishment in marble forty years earlier. It's a shame that consensus opinion doesn't recognise his contribution. Meanwhile, Baron Pierre de Coubertin financially contributed nothing whatsoever. The IOC President was Greek at the time too. Crown Prince Constantine was running around like a lunatic making sure that everybody was happy both behind the scenes as well as in front of the scenes. But ofcourse, those nice people with the consensus opinions are always right. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 00:41, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Constantine, your argument is devoid of logic. People may "think" that the modern games are only the IOC ones, but that doesn't mean they are correct. You used the irritating phrase "that is a fact" to support your contentions. The "fact" is that Zappas is responsible for several MODERN Olympic Games before the IOC came into existence, and also for the first Games after the IOC came into existence. And in this article, we have a case of a modern Games that were originally recognized by the IOC and then un-recognized. Again, that doesn't mean the IOC have some magic powers to determine what is and what isn't a modern Olympiad.69.196.140.226 (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why has the IOC stopped recognizing them?[edit]

The article doesn't say why the IOC originally recognized these games and now does not. (Incidentally, I was laughing to myself last night when I watched the London 2012 opening ceremony. Everyone kept talking about London being the only city to host 3 Olympics. Even if they had the nerve to specify "modern" Olympics, they would still be wrong. Athens has hosted 4 pre-IOC and 3 post-IOC games, making a total of 7. But this is aside from the point.)69.196.140.226 (talk) 13:32, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • it would be nice if someone would explain why this is so. --98.24.99.70 (talk) 18:34, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Norway in the medal table[edit]

What medals are Norway assigned in the medal table? In this they only claim 2 golds and 1 silver. According to a different non-english source the golds are Gudbrand Skatteboe (who took three golds according to Wikipedia and no golds according to sport-reference) and the team in gymnastics. 85.167.111.129 (talk) 13:10, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Medal table (2)[edit]

It would be great if someone can write (here and/or in the article) why the medal table is how it is, and why it is so different from the table on sports-reference.com Sander.v.Ginkel (talk) 17:51, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Likely this medal table count four extra events in Shooting, that are absent in sports-reference. I don't know where is right data.Nitobus (talk) 20:18, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The total numbers of medals in the article are: 78 (gold) 80 (silver) 78 (bronze), 236 (total). The numbers on sportreference are 74, 76, 74, 224. So 12 medals less. But on the other side, in the medal table on sport-reference the "mixed team" has one more silver medal. Sander.v.Ginkel (talk) 09:44, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
12 extra medals in wikipedia = 4 extra shooting events. So wikipedia counts 16 events in shooting and 78 events all, sportreference counts 12 events in shooting and 74 events all. Extra shooting events in wikipedia is follows:
Event Gold Silver Bronze
Free rifle, 3 positions  Gudbrand Skatteboe (NOR)  Konrad Stäheli (SUI)  Jean Reich (SUI)
Free rifle, prone  Gudbrand Skatteboe (NOR)  Louis Richardet (SUI)  Konrad Stäheli (SUI)
Free rifle, kneeling  Konrad Stäheli (SUI)  Louis Richardet (SUI)  Marcel Meyer de Stadelhofen (SUI)
Free rifle, standing  Gudbrand Skatteboe (NOR)  Julius Braathe (NOR)  Albert Helgerud (NOR)

As for second difference: wikipedia give sliver medal in football to Greece, sporreference to Mixed Team. Nitobus 15:01, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Total difference: NOR +3Gold, +1Silver, +1Bronze; SUI +1Gold, +3Silver, +3Bronze; MixedTeam +1Silver; Greece -1Silver; Total medals: +4Gold, +4Silver, +4Bronze. Nitobus 15:04, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed merge of Intercalated Games into 1906 Intercalated Games[edit]

There was only ever one Intercalated Games, in 1906. Intercalated Games is an unsourced article, and 1906 Intercalated Games is better sourced, so makes sense to merge into the better quality article Joseph2302 (talk) 16:40, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support. It's a recurring event that didn't recur, and any info that doesn't already fit in with the 1906 Intercalated Games article could probably be summarized in a section at the end ("Fate of 'Intercalated Games'" or something). Mcrsftdog (talk) 21:44, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support.--Arorae (talk) 00:48, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, seems reasonable to cover everything in one place. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:08, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, I also agree with the users above. -boldblazer (talk) 22:49, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, they are both expressing the same idea. Joesom333 (talk) 18:54, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  checkY Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 01:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Count of female athletes[edit]

Currently this article says:

"Participating nations

854 athletes, 848 men and 6 women, from 20 countries, competed at the 1906 Intercalated Games.[1] "

The article " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_at_the_1906_Intercalated_Games_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_singles " lists 8 women competing in the Women's Singles Tenis competition, so there would appear to have been at least 2 more.

jg (talk) 00:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There looks to be 3 walkovers in the tennis, so maybe they're not being counted (as they didn't actually compete)? Joseph2302 (talk) 09:26, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In general (throughout all Olympics pages), competitors is meant to not include those who did not actually compete. (As with a lot of things, implementation is inconsistent.) The women's singles tennis page should be corrected. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 13:02, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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