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Links[edit]

Removed link to http://www.nottinghamstudent.co.uk/ as it doesn't related to NTU as far as I can see. If a viable reason for its return can be established then I see no reason for it not to return.

Removed links to http://www.live2flirt.co.uk/ and http://urn1350.net/ as both do not seem to have direct links to NTU or contain NTU related sections. Ideally links should have a solid link to NTU rather than a generic student theme. - (Polymorp 19:24, 14 December 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Unsure if www.themediaexperiment.com should be listed in the links section as whilst Russ is a student of NTU the sites doesn't directly involve the university. Polymorp 23:51, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

University ratings[edit]

(I'm posting this to all articles on UK universities as so far discussion hasn't really taken off on Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities.)

There needs to be a broader convention about which university rankings to include in articles. Currently it seems most pages are listing primarily those that show the institution at its best (or worst in a few cases). See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities#University ratings. Timrollpickering 23:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Partner university[edit]

I've removed the section about the link with Ching Yun University since I couldn't find any evidence of this partnership. See my comments at Talk:Queen's University Belfast#Partner universities. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do something about this page[edit]

Please, please, someone. This page isn't up to scratch with other uni pages. A 'new building' with 'new lifts'... is that as important as the clubs and societies on offer, the halls of residence, or the laudable Nottingham Law School? Though not. Let's get more decent information on here and more flattering images. People actually read these articles, and a bad one can maker or break decisions to study at an institution. Can someone refine it please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by N0105143 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Thank you for the above comments and over the last year, many changes have been made to this wiki page, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sobiat (talk • contribs) 11:01, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merger of List of Nottingham Trent University alumni[edit]

This is a short list, too short to stand alone, and some of it unsourced. It would be better merged here. We do not have separate alumni lists for any other university that I'm aware of. Comments welcome. --Rodhullandemu 17:19, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Category:Lists of people by university in the United Kingdom. There are a few, but you're right: this list should be merged in. — mholland (talk) 01:28, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, good grief. Can of worms. I'm not sure what is meant by "X university people" anyhow. It could include almost anyone. I think these lists should be restricted to notable alumni and if they are too short, merged into their parent articles. This one, to me, is an obvious case in point, since my experience thus far is that they tend to be magnets for self-aggrandisement or pranking, and it's easier to watchlist n articles than 2n. --Rodhullandemu 01:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The page has been updated now to reflect notable alumni and honorary graduates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sobiat (talk • contribs) 10:59, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alumni[edit]

Paul Kaye - Dennis Pennis, was he a Nottingham Trent graduate or a Nottingham University graduate?

Not sure who posted the above, but moved to a section as seemed out of place at the top of the page. Anyway, I would ask who, if any, awarded degrees for Trent/Nottingham Polytechnic before it gained University status in 1992? If nobody did, a lot of the alumni personal pages need to reflect this along with this article. Just because you graduate from an institution that several years later becomes a university, it doesn't mean you then have a degree. I'm sure another institution must have awarded degrees for Trent students, but who? I know my old University of Nottingham had theirs awarded by University of London before 1948. Steve hill4 (talk) 13:28, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(1) he graduated from Nottingham Trent, as the reference I've just placed on his own article states (2) Polytechnic degrees were validated (and technically awarded) until 1992 by the CNAA. --Rodhullandemu 14:15, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Olav Bjortomt is listed as a Nottingham Trent alumnus, but his Wikipedia entry says he attended the University of Nottingham. Of course, he could have attended both, but I've never heard of his being associated with Trent. AuntFlo (talk) 02:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, ignore the above; he was a postgrad at Nottingham Trent. AuntFlo (talk) 02:50, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Updates to the Rankings and reputation section[edit]

Hi, I'd like to make some suggestions for changes to the Rankings and reputation section of the Nottingham Trent University page - is this allowed under your rules?

- In the Rankings table, it is saying that NTU came 46th in the Complete University Guide - this is incorrect. They came 45th. - NTU no longer has Gold in the Teaching Excellence Framework, so this should be removed. - Suggestion for copy in main body: "Nottingham Trent University was awarded University of the Year in 2019 by The Guardian. In 2021, 75% of students progress to full-time employment or further education within fifteen months of graduating [1]

Trent has also received a 5-star rating in the QS World University rankings, [2] as well as an Athena SWAN Bronze Award for good practices towards the advancement of gender equality."

References

  1. ^ Guardian University Guide 2021 (https://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2020/sep/05/the-best-uk-universities-2021-league-table)
  2. ^ https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2022

If this is allowed, is it ok to update some of the other information that is out of date on this page please? KMcB-NTU (talk) 11:32, 2 March 2022 (UTC)KMcB-NTU[reply]

Firstly KMcB-NTU, you need to make a declaration at your user page of any connection(s) to NTU, particularly if you are paid in any way by NTU for suggesting changes to Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. This comes after Ntucadbe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was recently blocked (15 Feb 2022). The following link explains how to add a User-page disclosure {{paid}}. Thank you.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 16:20, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think I have done this now, can you check please? KMcB-NTU (talk) 17:42, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done (in relation to request immediately above).--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 19:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
KMcB-NTU - I have now revamped the subsection to my satisfaction; everything is IMO coherent, and referenced, and I hope this accords with your wishes. Thank you for your suggestions.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 22:51, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have manually updated the ranking from 46 to 45 as advised above; I am unable to grasp why this should not have updated to the 2022 figure. I am unable to access the table (12) for Guardian to verify: In 2021, 75% of students progress to full-time employment or further education within fifteen months of graduating so I am unable to add this presently. These two bits I left separately as were more difficult to resolve.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 01:54, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rocknrollmancer Thank you so much for making these changes. Your help has been really great. It's a shame you cannot access the Guardian to verify my text. When you say the two bits have been left, will these ever be resolved?

Are you able to add this sentence to the Rankings section too where you refer to the Queen's Anniversary Prize? As you have added this to the Research section already? "In November 2021, the university again received the award, based on numerous research projects."
Your help has been invaluable here, thanks again! Would it be possible to make any further changes? My concern is that some of the information included on this page dates back a number of years ie. 2008/2009. I would rather the old information was taken off or updated where possible. What are the rules on that please? Would it be okay to submit some further suggestions please? Thanks again for all your assistance! KMcB-NTU (talk) 12:38, 3 March 2022 (UTC)KMCB-NTU[reply]
I'll give it some thought, naturally, without forcing it @KMcB-NTU:. When new editors appear, it's not uncommon for them to try to delete things as old/out-of-date. Generally, there's little reason to 'take off' content, as you have alluded to ("I would rather the old information was taken off or updated where possible".), except when it can be proven to be inaccurate or false; often, it can be subjected to a precis, which is commonly called a copy edit (abbreviated to ce) when things have built up, incrementally.

The previous history has to be retained for copyright purposes - that is - words like this created by individuals, when placed into article space, are regarded as unique and copyrighted to the individual, who in turn allows others to re-use those words/content, providing the licencing agreements are followed. If those words are no longer in public view, the archived history still has to be retained.

When Wikipedia was being developed in 2006/2008, 'they' could write anything at all; things have tightend up, considerably. All of this is why the natural chronology should be visible and followed; often new users will attempt to remove older content and place newer information prominently, which flags-up as promotional.

--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 02:54, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rocknrollmancer Thanks again for your time on this, you’ve been great. Your explanation of why you ("retain previous history for copyright purposes".) makes sense, I can see this is what has been done on the page. I have had a read of your changes and it definitely reads much better.

I’m sorry to ask for more, but if possible, can you please remove the logo with the blue text at the bottom of the box at the top of the page, as this is our old logo and we are trying to not use this anywhere now?
And lastly, a couple of suggestions for the Sustainability section, which I’m hoping you can add into the text if at all possible: we came 3rd in the People and Planet League 2021 (out of 154 participating institutions) for the fourth year running. And we Placed 4th globally (and 3rd in the UK) for sustainability in the 2021 UI Green Metric University World Rankings (out of more than 900 participating universities).

Many thanks again, I look forward to your response. Have a great day! KMcB-NTU152.71.30.21 (talk) 10:39, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Updates to NTU page please[edit]

Please can you make a few updates to this page, I can't as I have a COI. The student population is now 38,995 (31,775 UG and 7,220 PG) source: HESA 2020/21 https://www.hesa.ac.uk/data-and-analysis/students/table-1.

Also, we have had new results for REF 2021, where 83% of NTU’s research activity was judged to be ‘world-leading’ or ‘internationally excellent’. 86% of NTU’s research impact was assessed to be either ‘world-leading’ or ‘internationally excellent’. source: https://results2021.ref.ac.uk/ and https://www.ntu.ac.uk/research/research-and-impact/ref-2021.

We also won WhatUni Student Choice Awards 2022 for Best UK university for Student Life, Best UK university for International and were Runner-up for University of the Year, source https://www.whatuni.com/student-awards-winners/university-of-the-year/. thanks in advance KMcB-NTU (talk) 07:45, 1 June 2022 (UTC)KMcB-NTU[reply]

I'll have a look later (as I'm supposed to be on a wiki-break), unless any other editor gets to it first. Please be aware that article content has to comply with WP:UNDUE, and sources should be other than self-published. Extrapolation (interpretation) of data may have to be considered under WP:SYNTHESIS.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 01:45, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I would be grateful if someone could look at this for me please. There is only one self-published source, which is alongside a source which isn't. KMcB-NTU (talk) 09:39, 16 June 2022 (UTC)KMcB-NTU[reply]
Good morning, I was wondering whether you or anyone else is able to help with my requests yet, or know when you are able to look at this, so I know when to expect any changes. Thank you KMcB-NTU09:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC) KMcB-NTU (talk) 09:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New editor copying content within Wikipedia to place in a prominent position[edit]

A novice editor (Abhijit.shah1) has been copying content from section to place into the lead summary. Attempts to stop have proved ineffective. Messages can be seen at User talk:Abhijit.shah1.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 13:04, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notable alumni[edit]

The current list as it stands has no consistent format. I see multiple MOS violations (MOS:LISTFORMAT, MOS:OVERLINK, MOS:SEAOFBLUE to name a few), too much detail (MOS:LONGSEQ) and unnecessary refs (WP:SOURCELIST). I know WP:APOENTRIES doesn't apply but I think the proposed format there could work. These people are notable (in the scope of this article) for being alumni of this university. We don't need to know their entire life, what they're doing right now, etc. The basic pattern [Bullet Wikilink (birth year–death year), descriptor] should be more than enough. I would also argue that simply linking the existing category would suffice - I know having lists and categories covering the same content is not against policy, but again, how many details do we need to know about these people? Surely everything is covered in their own articles. Or just make a listicle (but again, I would trim the content no matter what). The embedded list accounts for almost half of the size of this article. That's too much. - Ïvana (talk) 15:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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