Talk:Duke of Rutland

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Marquess of Granby[edit]

Quote "The most notable Marquess of Granby was John Manners, (1721-1770). An accomplished soldier and popular figure of his time, his title was honoured by being used by a very large number of public houses throughout Britain."

I saw a television programme which showed such a public house and there was a story that the reason for many public houses being so named was something about him sponsoring retired soldiers in some manner, possibly to become innkeepers, and that the naming of the public houses was a result of this. Does anyone know any more about this please?

Songwriter 17:50 4 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Correct, he used his influence to get many of his ex-soldiers/often those retired due to wounds posts as innkeepers (whose responsibility at that time was very different as they also ran the supply of post/horses). Alci12 21:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Baron Roos[edit]

Who was the first Baron Roos of Belvoir, of Belvoir in the County of Leicester (UK, 1896)? Was it the 8th or the 9th Duke of Rutland, or was it someone else?
VM 12:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

500th Anniversary[edit]

Doesn't this section really belong on the Belvoir Castle page, rather than the Manners family/Duke of Rutland page? I'd say feel free to move section in its entirety if you agree! (It is about the property/castle, not the peerage or family per se, IMHO.) --gobears87 (talk) 15:47, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Image of arms[edit]

I recaptioned the image as a caricature, as it is definitely not an example of the actual heraldic device.The illustration is possibly a commentary on the death of four dukes or heirs to the title within the ten years previous to its publication (1790).

If anyone is interested in the blazon:

"RUTLAND, Duke of. Titles. Manners, duke of Rutland, marquis of Granby, earl of Rutland and baron Manners of Haddon. Arms. Or, two bars azure, a chief quarterly of the second and gules; the first and fourth charged with two fleurs-de-lis of the first; and the second and third with a lion passant guardant of the same. Crest. On a chapeau gules, turned up ermine, a peacock in pride proper. Supporters. Two unicorns argent, their horns, manes, tufts, and hoofs or. Motto. Pour y parvenir."

from George Crabb's Universal historical dictionary: or explanation of the names of persons and places in the departments of biblical, political and eccles. history, mythology, heraldry, biography, bibliography, geography, and numismatics, Volume 2, Baldwin and Cradock, 1833. (visible on Google Books)

A colour example here: http://www.rutlandarmsbakewell.co.uk/

Not as relevant, being an individual's crest rather than the ducal: http://www.luminarium.org/encyclopedia/rutlandgarter.jpg

1543, shows the quartered shield: http://www.luminarium.org/encyclopedia/rutland1.htm 70.74.188.103 (talk) 16:44, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Marquess? No, Marquis[edit]

While "Marquess" is the spelling preferred by many families in Britain who use that title, the Manners family is one of those that uses the spelling "Marquis" in the courtesy title of the Duke of Rutland's eldest son, the Marquis of Granby, as any authoritative source will show, eg this copy of Debrett's. Why does Wikipedia apparently insist on saying "Marquess" of Granby? Zythophile (talk) 00:57, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, nobody's given me an answer, so I have just gone through the piece converting it to Marquis Zythophile (talk) 08:37, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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gules in chief[edit]

The original coat of arms of the Manners family was plain gules in chief.

That's bad and ambiguous language. Does it mean to say the original coat was Or two bars azure and a chief gules (itself a somewhat odd design), the chief being later replaced by a chief of augmentation, or something else? —Tamfang (talk) 03:03, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]