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Copyvio -- I don't believe the above license is GFDL-compatible, more specifically "provided it is reproduced accurately and not used in a misleading context". GFDL requires ability to create misleading or innaccurate reproductions (and who is to say what is misleading or inaccurate?)

More to the point, the Crown copyright stuff was not even related to the subject (High Sheriff) - so I have removed it in cleaning up the page. Andreww 01:42, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Governor of Texas[edit]

The Governor of Texas is not the “High Sheriff” of the state. That term is not used anywhere in the Texas statutes or Texas Constitution. Moreover, the governor does not have any general authority over a sheriff.

Northern Island[edit]

I have just removed mention of High Sheriffs of counties of Northern Island - I can find no sign that such a post currently exists: see this and this. Feel free to add any useful informatin you may have on the subject, but it must be verifiable. Andreww 19:17, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Er, it's "Northern Ireland", not "Northern Island". Maybe thay's why you failed to find anything? Owain (talk) 08:54, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cornwall[edit]

The Duchy of Cornwall claims the right to select the High Sheriff of Cornwall, each year, rather than the Privy Council.

http://www.duchyofcornwall.org/abouttheduchy_history_acquisition.htm

A list of High Sheriffs of Cornwall on Wikipedia.

Vernon White 23:10, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

___ I have had this email from the Privy Council:

The Privy Council Office is only responsible for the management of the appointment of High Sheriffs in England and Wales, excluding Lancashire, Greater Manchester, Merseyside and Cornwall. The Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall have independent arrangements. Any enquiries about these arrangements should be made to the Duchy office direct. The Duchy of Cornwall, 10 Buckingham Gate, London, SW1E 6L Tel 020 7834 7346 Email London@duchyofcornwall.gov.uk The Duchy of Lancaster, Lancaster Place, Strand, London, WC2E 7ED Email info@duchyoflancaster.co.uk

Vernon White 12:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

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Historical Role[edit]

This is the only article for English sheriffs & what little information it has is I think misleading for them in historical terms. Frankly these are more likely to be of interest than the current ceremonial role. Johnbod 04:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please identify the bad history.

I disagree concerning the current role of High Sheriffs. They do a good job and often appear in the columns of local newspapers. WP is a place where people might well look first to find out a bit more than the journalist reported. === Vernon White (talk) 10:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Link to List[edit]

There is a fairly complete list of HS Offices at List of Shrievalties This article links to List of High Sheriffs of the United Kingdom , which is incomplete and contains information that becomes out-of-date for each year for each office. On its talk page, someone comments that the Title should not say "United Kingdom". ===Vernon White (talk) 09:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The problem seems to be the failure to include a link to the Wikipedia page on Sheriff Courts in Scotland. Also there is a fairly good Wikipedia page giving brief details on Sheriffs in the rest of the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriff_Court http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriff

The links at the end include links to two lists of Sheriffs in the United Kingdom. This is incorrect. These lists are to Sheriffs in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. The external reference is to the London Gazette which also only claims to be concerning Sheriffs in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Further, the links to earlier lists are for England and Wales. Attempting to amend this will need an amendment of the address. Can someone do this for the sake of accuracy? surfingus (talk) 11:37, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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High Sheriff of Cambridgeshire and Huntingdonshire[edit]

From Talk:High Sheriff of Cambridgeshire and Huntingdonshire:

@PBS: Hi PBS, I know it was a long time (8 yrs) ago but I think you have made a mistake here. Please would you provide a link to show why you thought it was the right thing to do? Have a look at this old publication regards, Eddaido (talk) 04:22, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

The old publication mentioned was:

  • Great Britain. Parliament. House of Commons (1803). Journals of the House of Commons. By order of the House of Commons. p. 354.
@ User:Eddaido, I presume this comment refers to my moving the page title from High Sheriff of Cambridgeshire and Huntingdonshire to Sheriff of Cambridgeshire and Huntingdonshire. This particular office existed from 1154 until the abolition of the office in 1965.
The page you reference (published 1803) is quoting a text from 1643, the English Civil War period (hence Parliamentry ordinences and not acts; and which was sent into oblivion at the end of the Interregnum). As you can see from this article. There are citations for two acts of Parliament, highlighting the change from "Sheriff" to "High Sheriff". I think it will take more evidence than on old source to persuade me that my move was not correct. For example take the year 1956 when Frank Perkins was appointed (the last sheriff with a Wikipedia biography) the source for that is the London Gazette:
  • "No. 40738". The London Gazette. 16 March 1956. p. 1731.
We found when looking into this issue in the past that authors we free and loose with the use of "High Sheriff" and "Sheriff" often contradicting each other and sometimes in the same paragraph, so it was decided to go with the London Gazette and the Acts of Parliament, as they seem to be the most authoratative sources (for this page the earliest Gazette publication 1665/1666).
So I made the moved because the office was abolished before, as this article makes clear, sheriffs became high sheriffs in the 1970s. -- PBS (talk) 18:12, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi PBS, not sure I do follow all that. I think the point you missed when looking at the Gazette is that a High Sheriff is still a sheriff and appears in the list of sheriffs. Yes the particular appointee you mention is the reason I wrote. His granddaughter was High Sheriff of Herefordshire last year. Anyway have a look at this page. See that the notice concerns appointment of Sheriffs and begins "High Sheriffs appointed by . . . ". Won't pester you more. Best regards, Eddaido (talk) 10:16, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
From the lead of most of the High Sheriff articles:

:::The Sheriff is the oldest secular office under the Crown. Formerly the Sheriff was the principal law enforcement officer in the county but over the centuries most of the responsibilities associated with the post have been transferred elsewhere or are now defunct, so that its functions are now largely ceremonial. Under the provisions of the Local Government Act 1972, on 1 April 1974 the office previously known as Sheriff was retitled High Sheriff.

So Eddaido, the list High Sheriff of Cambridgeshire contains a list of Sheriffs before 1974 and High Sheriffs since. So the link you give to the Gazette of 13 March 2019 is for the office of High Sheriff, but "No. 45941". The London Gazette. 30 March 1973. p. 4153. is for the office of Sheriff (the year before the provisions of the Local Government Act came into force). -- PBS (talk) 21:28, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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