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Lack of Criticism[edit]

The entire article reads a little too "one sided".

There is a lack of Criticism section and throught the article the tone taken seems to be pouring one accolade after another onto Albert, with the use of language suggesting some piece of biography from the monachry's website.

I'll admit i am not familiar with the exploits of this man(though now much informed thanks to the article) but i find it hard to believe that nobody(neither then nor until now)had any criticism of some of his actions regarding anything in particular. From the article i'd get the impression that he was universilly acclaimed for all his actions as consort.--79.221.31.71 (talk) 15:26, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, criticism sections tend to suck, valid criticism should be in the right place in the article. There is some, foreign bastard when he came, stiff and reserved, beat the son, unpopular again at the start of the Crimean war. But the overall tone seems positive to me, which might be as it should be. He was (as I understand the article) fairly enlightened, faithful to his wife, even good with money. Of course, he never held formal power, and that helps too. Perhaps there is some feud/harsh words from The Duke of Wellington (about the army), Palmerston or the clergy that could be expanded somewhat? Since he didn't actually have the piercing.Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:13, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I know it's hard to believe, but occasionally there are also people who, fundamentally, were well regarded and lived without attracting much criticism, controversy or controversy. 37.183.120.216 (talk) 16:02, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Albert von Sachsen-Coburg and Gotha[edit]

Hi real name was Prince Albert von Sachsen-Coburg and Gotha. Shouldn't that be the title of the wikipedia article then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.198.184.90 (talk) 09:12, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia sometimes works a little differently, see WP:NAMEGråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:28, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Albert and the Society for the Extinction of the Slave Trade and the Civilisation of Africa[edit]

Shouldn't there be more information about Albert's Anti-Slavery Position? I for one am sick and tired of hearing idiots babble on about the Monarchies pro slavery history when in fact the Monarchy was more Anti-Slavery than Parliament. If it was enough to get him condemned at the time in some quarters then it should be enough for him to be celebrated today. Not enough people know about this, but other than a few paragraphs I haven't found much detailed information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.204.209 (talk) 21:07, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Heir to the throne of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha[edit]

See [1].

Wording in family and public life[edit]

I went ahead an removed "absurd" again and changed it to "false rumours". This seems like it conveys the sense that the rumours were indeed false, without having the unnecessary baggage that a word such as absurd brings. I'm not entirely sure it is a fair characterization, because, while the rumour was false, since we were not alive at the time, I don't think we can say it was "absurd". The fact that it was spread and somewhat believed shows that it wasn't an absurdity in the strict sense, though it clearly was false. "False" to me seems to convey a more neutral tone. Sorry to post a talk page entry over one word, but since there seems to be an editing conflict regarding it, I thought that I would explain my changes, and see if we can reach some sort of consensus. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:55, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine by me, thank you. DrKay (talk) 14:30, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lead image[edit]

I think the lead image should be a color image that is not duplicated lower down in the article. The image being inserted by the Mexican IP is a black-and-white image that is already shown (as a cropped version) lower down in the article. I also favor an image where the subject looks into the article, as advised at Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Images. DrKay (talk) 19:13, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why Albrecht??[edit]

Why would he be listed as Albrecht in the box with the personal details? His name was indeed Albert from birth, as the German Wikipedia page shows. Not an uncommon name in Germany in those days either. Mbshu (talk) 13:42, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As Germans are often called Albert (e.g. Albert Einstein, Albert Speer) and the German National Library calls him Albert[2], I've removed it. DrKay (talk) 15:39, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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"the pendant to the pretty cousin"[edit]

From Hermoine Hobhouse's 1983 biography of Prince Albert, Prince Albert: His life and work:

Prince Albert said in later life that he had known since he was three that it was intended that he should marry his English cousin. This is the favourite scheme of their common grand-mother, the Dowager Duchess Augusta. In 1821, she wrote to the Duchess of Kent: 'The little fellow is the pendant to the pretty cousin; very handsome, but too slight for a boy; lively, very funny, all good nature and full of mischief.'

The book cites "Dowager Duchess to Duchess of Kent, August 11, 1821, quoted Grey [Charles Grey, author of The early years of His Royal Highness the prince consort], p 19." I have the book in front of me as confirmation. Reversinator (talk) 18:24, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Albert's father, according to Victoria series.[edit]

I realize that the PBS series Victoria is not a documentary, so it contains instances of fictionalization. It is highly researched, though.

Upon the death of Albert's father, Ernest I, his uncle (King Leopold) tried to comfort Albert by telling him that he was the Prince's father, due to an affair he had with Albert's mother. Albert became very angry and told Leopold that because of him, Victoria was married to a "bastard" and that their child were "illegitimate". (When he ultimately tells Victoria about his altered parentage, to her, it doesn't signify.) Since neither this article, nor Ernest's nor Leopold's mentions this, I gather that this whole birth episode is one of the fictionalizations?

Thank you for your time, Wordreader (talk) 06:18, 5 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A.N. Wilson talks a bit about this in nhis recent biography. There was a rumour that Leopold was Albert's father but on balance Wilson says there is just no evidence for this. LastDodo (talk) 14:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Objectively, it is difficult to find irrefutable evidence for or against an alleged illegitimacy of historical figures, unless we exhume them and make the DNA. I believe that this, like many other cases, will remain rumors, possible, but not certain.--37.183.120.216 (talk) 16:00, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion[edit]

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"Like many other German princes, Albert attended the University of Bonn"[edit]

The Early Life section states that "Like many other German princes, Albert attended the University of Bonn", but nowhere in the article is it established that Albert and his brothers were princes. Could someone please fix this for accuracy? Perhaps a better word would be nobility. In any case, the word "princes" is undefined and seemingly inaccurate. It needs to be changed or clarified or specifically spelled out as to what it means and why. Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 18:21, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Albert was not only a "prince", but a dynastic -- as distinct from a merely "noble" -- prince, when he married Queen Victoria. All legitimate male-line members of the House of Wettin legally held the title "Duke of Saxony (Herzog zu Sachsen) within the Holy Roman Empire, and all shared its use until 1747, when the Coburg line of the Ernestine duchies established semi-Salic primogeniture with the Emperor's approval; Henceforth the eldest son would henceforth inherit the duchy, while the younger sons of the family would receive a state allowance along with a right to succeed to the ducal throne if the reigning duke died without sons. Thus the cadet dynasts assumed the prefix "Prinz". Even before abolition of the Holy Roman Empire in 1806, the Ernestine Wettins ranked as "royalty" ("Hochadel"), but afterwards the head of each of the branches of the dynasty were internationally independent as well as sovereign, and use of the ducal title was restricted to the ruling head of each branch (except for the higher ranking rulers, the King of Saxony and the Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach). Albert's pre-marital title was exactly as described and footnoted in this article's "Titles" section, "His Serene Highness Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha", along with "Duke of Saxony" as a subsidiary title. He was also attributed the princely title in the 1840 London Gazette when he was raised from "Serene" to "Royal" Highness. FactStraight (talk) 12:40, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Then that all needs to be stated and cited in the article, and also the specific word "prince" needs to be stated and defined in that section. Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 02:59, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We don't provide citations for dictionary definitions. A prince is the son of a reigning Sovereign. Albert was the son of a reigning Sovereign. This is not contentious at all, and it's difficult to assume good faith when someone who claims to have a degree in history does not know what a prince is. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:23, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]


FactStraight, could you add the following to the article? This seems like important information for a Featured Article:

Albert was ... a dynastic ... prince .... All legitimate male-line members of the House of Wettin legally held the title "Duke of Saxony (Herzog zu Sachsen) within the Holy Roman Empire, and all shared its use until 1747, when the Coburg line of the Ernestine duchies established semi-Salic primogeniture with the Emperor's approval; the eldest son would inherit the duchy, while the younger sons of the family would receive a state allowance along with a right to succeed to the ducal throne if the reigning duke died without sons. Thus the cadet dynasts assumed the prefix "Prinz". Before abolition of the Holy Roman Empire in 1806, the Ernestine Wettins ranked as "royalty" ("Hochadel"), but afterwards the head of each of the branches of the dynasty were internationally independent as well as sovereign, and use of the ducal title was restricted to the ruling head of each branch (except for the higher ranking rulers, the King of Saxony and the Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach).

while also hopefully explaining what "the Ernestine Wettins" refers to, and also what "the ducal title" refers to ("Duke"?).

Also, the article does not mention in the Titles section (or anywhere) that Albert held the title of "Duke of Saxony", which you mentioned in the quote below. The only occurrence of that title is in a quote from Albert. Could you please add that title to the article, either in the Early Life section or the Titles section?

Albert's pre-marital title was ... "His Serene Highness Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha", along with "Duke of Saxony" as a subsidiary title.

Also, it would be good to state his birth titles right off the bat in the lede, as done in German Wikipedia: [3], or in the first sentence of Early Life. Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 10:11, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's all way over-the-top in my opinion. At most, all that's needed is 'Albert was born a prince of Saxe-Coburg at Schloss Rosenau, near Coburg, Germany...' Celia Homeford (talk) 10:40, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There does not seem to be a consensus for adding Albert's dynastic background into the lede at this time. While I understand, Softlavender, that you may have known the info outlined above but were concerned that others coming to the article may lack enough familiarity with European dynasties to readily take in why and how Albert qualified as a consort for Queen Victoria whereas the younger son of a British duke, for instance, would not have been considered a "prince" and would therefore have been less likely to be chosen to become the British queen's husband. I also agree that the article provides minimal info on Albert's status and prospects before marriage (perhaps because his family so long directed him toward becoming the UK's prince consort that little else, e.g. military career, was explored?). Nonetheless, I agree with Celia Homeford that the explanatory and contextualizing information is 1. probably too much for the lede, and arguably not necessary in the article's body, yet 2. is accessible for readers interested enough to click article links. While it's nice to have it all clarified up front in an article for those unfamiliar with the subject matter, as an encyclopedia we try to keep in mind the typical reader's focused interest, limited attention span and our responsibility to succinctly summarize (with links to further detail), rather than to over-burden an article with comprehensive but inessential background. FactStraight (talk) 19:52, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Prince did not deserve all the accolades, per historian Lucy Worsley[edit]

From the Lucy Worsley article: fyi

In May 2019, Worlsey's speech about Prince Albert, subsequent to her 2018 book Queen Victoria: Daughter, Wife, Mother, Widow, included comments indicating that the prince did not deserve all of the accolades he had received. (title=We're too nice to Albert – he was no perfect prince, claims historian|date=30 May 2019|url=https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/30/were-too-nice-to-albert-he-was-no-perfect-prince-claims-historian%7Cwork=The Guardian|access-date=31 May 2019|quote=Albert kept those babies coming,” said Worsley. “And that’s because he could see that while she was busy with that, he could get on with making himself king in all but name – taking over some of her duties, taking over some of her power.)

"I sense that some of you are thinking, 'No, I just don’t believe this. Albert is a great man. He’s brilliant, he's a polymath, he organised the Great Exhibition, he supported science and art and industry.' Well that is true. But I don’t think he should necessarily have been doing those things. ... I think he should have been fulfilling the more traditional role of a Queen or a princess in this relationship, which was single-mindedly to support his spouse, which he didn't do."

Peter K Burian (talk) 13:37, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Charlotte von Sieborg was much more than a midwife[edit]

The "midwife" referred to in the article as Charlotte von Sieborg was Marion Theodore Charlotte Heidenreich von Sieborg. She graduated with a degree in obstetrics from Giessen University in Germany in 1817, two years before she assisted in the births of Albert and Victoria. According to her Wikipedia page she was considered Germany's first gynocologist.

I submit that relegating her to the status of midwife is disrespectful and inaccurate.

I have never made an editing change to a Wikipedia article, so perhaps someone with more experience could change her to "German physician" instead of midwife?

68.110.9.53 (talk) 19:06, 29 September 2020 (UTC)Sam[reply]

Per WP:CIRCULAR, we can't use wikipedia as a source. DrKay (talk) 20:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Info box image[edit]

File:Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.png this image is much better for the info box it’s isn’t blurry and just looks nicer. --Orson12345 (talk) 12:27, 2 February 2022

I see little to no difference between either image, so the previous consensus should hold until consensus changes. DrKay (talk) 17:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How do you not see a difference it’s extremely obvious. The image currently looks absolutely horrible. But it’s obvious that you and Векочел don’t want the image to change so I won’t waist my time any longer. Orson12345 (talk) 18:11, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"The Prince Consort" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect The Prince Consort and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 16 § The Prince Consort until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. DrKay (talk) 08:49, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 August 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Participants seem to have agreed with the general thrust of the nomination, and there is clear consensus for adopting a "<Name> of <Place>" in some form. However, "Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha" (i.e., including his title) was found by many participants to be preferable to the original proposal, as it was a more common name as well as being WP:CONSISTENT with other article titles on male royal consorts. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:26, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Albert, Prince Consort → Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha – In the spirit of WP:COMMONNAME, WP:PRECISION, WP:CONSORTS, and WP:CONSISTENT, I am requesting this page move for the article title of Queen Victoria (of the United Kingdom)'s husband [and the third great-grandfather of King Charles III (of the United Kingdom) via two of his children!].

For an extended rationale, feel free to read the below bullet points:

1. WP:COMMONNAME - A series of four Google searches demonstrate that variants of "Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha" are more likely to be used in general than "Albert, Prince Consort" (NOTE: Because of technical restrictions, I was unable to generate Ngram comparisons for these four titles. I would appreciate seeing any data from that tool that furthers my argument.):

  • 1 - "Albert Prince Consort" yields approximately 169,000 Google hits,
  • 2 - "Albert, Prince Consort" yields approximately 134,000 Google hits,
  • 3 - "Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha" yields approximately 295,000 hits (i.e. approximately 75 percent more than "Albert Prince Consort"), and
  • 4 - "Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha" yields approximately 377,000 hits (i.e. approximately 123 percent more than "Albert Prince Consort")

If the above ratios are not convincing enough, here are four pertinent United Kingdom-based sites that use "(Prince) Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha" in lieu of "Albert, Prince Consort" to describe Victoria's consort:

  • National Portrait Gallery: "Victoria marries her cousin, Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha; he is given the title of Prince Consort" and the title of the link itself: "Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha" (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha is an alternative version of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.)
  • Historic Royal Palaces Blog: Today is the 200th birthday of Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (1819-1861)""
  • Science Museum Group, which refers to Victoria's consort twice as "Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha"
  • And perhaps most convincingly, the Royal Collection Trust: "A lithograph from an album of portraits containing prints and photographs: a vignette portrait of Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha; bust length, turned slightly to the left; wearing a military uniform with decorations; inscribed and dated on the mount below"

2. WP:PRECISION - In a similar vein as Albert's wife, whose article title I unsuccessfully tried to change for the same reason, the title Albert, Prince Consort does not unambiguously define the scope of his life. Who was Albert a "prince consort" to? Where was Albert a "prince consort"? Similarly, Prince Albert is also an unacceptable alternative because while that may be another common way to refer to Victoria's consort and better follows WP:CONCISE, that title does not distinguish him from, for example, the Sovereign Prince of Monaco (Albert II). Instead, we use...

3. WP:CONSORTS - ...the pertinent guidance from WP:NCROY on consorts (i.e. spouses) of monarchs, which states: Many consorts are known in English as "{Name} of {Place}", like Margaret of Anjou, Isabeau of Bavaria and Mary of Teck, where {Place} is the country or House of origin. Since Albert was a prince of the German House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha by birth, Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha is thus the appropriate title alternative using this format. And if you need one last convincing piece of evidence...

4. WP:CONSISTENT - This is the policy that is most central to my request. Let's look at what the majority of the articles on 19th century European consorts are titled (i.e. part of the scope of NCROY): (For the sake of brevity, I will only list the consorts of sovereigns that reigned over kingdoms (i.e. no grand duchies, papacies, or principalities) that still exist. Also, countries are listed in alphabetical English order and consorts of noble and other non-royal origin are excluded.)

  1. Queens consort of Belgium: Louise of Orléans and Marie Henriette of Austria
  2. Queens consort of Denmark: Marie of Hesse-Kassel, Caroline Amalie of Augustenburg, and Louise of Hesse-Kassel
  3. Queens consort of the Netherlands: Wilhelmine of Prussia, Queen of the Netherlands, Anna Pavlovna of Russia, Sophie of Württemberg, and Emma of Waldeck and Pyrmont
  4. (Norway was in a personal union with Denmark until 1814 and then separately with Sweden for the rest of the century)
  5. Consorts of Spain: Maria Luisa of Parma, Maria Isabel of Braganza, Maria Josepha Amalia of Saxony, Maria Christina of the Two Sicilies, Mercedes of Orléans, and Maria Christina of Austria
  6. Queens consort of Sweden: Frederica of Baden, Hedvig Elisabeth Charlotte of Holstein-Gottorp, Josephine of Leuchtenberg, Louise of the Netherlands, and Sophia of Nassau
  7. Queens consort of the United Kingdom: Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, Caroline of Brunswick, and Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen

As illustrated, all of the pertinent European consorts' article titles use the format ..."{Name} of {Place}"..., akin to my suggested alternative title. Moreover, none of these article titles indicate a royal title held suo jure, hence why I propose Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha in lieu of Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.

Based on the above explanation and policies, in addition to potentially WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (although I personally believe this last guideline will never be conclusive when it comes to royals), I therefore conclude that Albert, Prince Consort is an unsuitable title for this article.

As a final aside, while consensus will win out in the end, given that WP:CONSISTENT and WP:COMMONNAME in this case support a move to "Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha", I hope that this move request will be much swifter and more favorable than some other ones that have recently occurred in this topic area! Hurricane Andrew (444) 01:12, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

I would agree with this. If the title is changed, it should be moved to Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Rreagan007 (talk) 02:16, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for clarity and consistency. JIP | Talk 10:49, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would support moving to Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Unlike queens consort, it seems that male consorts are usually titled Prince. Векочел (talk) 12:09, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Always known as Prince Albert. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:06, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There is no consistent standard for royal consorts. His common name in Britain would probably be "Prince Albert", but that is ambiguous in an international context. I suggest that the existing title would actually be clearer to most people than the new proposal. PatGallacher (talk) 16:33, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose I join Pat's response. I think it's not too dissimilar to Henrik, Prince Consort of Denmark. Killuminator (talk) 10:23, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    If his common name is just "Prince Albert", then I fail to understand how "Albert, Prince Consort" is more recognizable than "Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha". And I don't see how one article, that on the Prince Consort of Denmark (who was not even Prince Consort of Denmark for very long, and is barely referred to as such [4]), should override the other consorts of queens regnant that Keivan.f and I have mentioned. They are the only two who do not have "Prince [Name]" format. And in both cases, there present titles are not the WP:COMMONNAME. estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:40, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Don't care. Killuminator (talk) 19:57, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Responses such as don't care do not contribute to the advancement of your argument. As much as some people would like to believe, this is not a voting contest. Keivan.fTalk 21:55, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose moving to Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, but neutral on Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.64.107.163.147 (talk) 14:39, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Current title is concise and recognizable. I strongly oppose adding the word "Prince" to the front of the title. Lead with his name. Srnec (talk) 21:38, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Not as recognizable as the suggested one. The nominator has already put out the search results for each term. But, I'm curious to know why you oppose adding "Prince" before his name. Because WP:CONSISTENCY would encourage its use when you look at the articles we have on the husbands of other British and European queens; Prince George of Denmark (Queen Anne's husband), Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh (Queen Elizabeth II's husband), Prince Claus of the Netherlands (Queen Beatrix's husband), Prince Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld (Queen Juliana's husband), Duke Henry of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (Queen Wilhelmina's husband), etc. None of these men were elevated to the same rank as their wives, unlike female royal consorts whose title typically changes from princess to queen upon their husband's ascension. Keivan.fTalk 05:30, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    When we begin an article title with a title (e.g., Queen Victoria, Prince George of Denmark) and when not (e.g., Anne, Queen of Great Britain, Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark) is one of those mysteries that only a long-time Wikipedian has any hope of penetrating. The Dutch and German Wikis have, e.g., nl:Claus van Amsberg and de:Heinrich zu Mecklenburg. Srnec (talk) 11:35, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I appreciate the attempt to prove that the suggested name is more common than the present name, but I am not (yet) convinced. The biographies cited in this article call him "Prince Consort" much more often than they call him "of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha"; though the one that does, sort of, call him "Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha" is none less than ODNB. I am interested in whether this topic can be said to be the primary meaning of "Prince Albert". Surtsicna (talk) 15:54, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, support move to Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Omitting the word prince entirely gives the impression Albert was a monarch. The nominator only lists queens consort as examples, when prince consort's titles include the word prince (or duke if applicable). See: Prince George of Denmark, Duke Henry of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Prince Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld. Richiepip (talk) 14:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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