Talk:Shad Thames

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I see that my reference to Jacob's Island has been removed. The following website claims that Jacob's Island was part of, or another name for, Shad Thames:

http://www.thames.org.uk/pages/guide2.htm

Does anyone have any reason to cast doubt on it? Ogg 08:02, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I found another link: http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/southwark/bermondsey/jacobs-island-02.htm which said Jacob's Island was east of St Saviour's Dock; whereas Shad Thames is (IMO) just west of St Saviour's Dock, or at least the street itself and the proper area is; that said estate agents call the area up to about 100m east of St Saviour's Dock Shad Thames too (though this may be for lack of a better modern name or so as sell outlying properties at a higher price). So you may be right. Please reinstate if you have better information! Ben Finn 13:09, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've now found an 1889 map of London which has the Shad Thames area marked 'Horsely Down' (there is still a Horselydown Lane by Tower Bridge today), so I've added this to the article. The name Jacob's Island isn't marked, but presumably was an earlier name in the vicinity. The fact that Jacob St is (then and now) in the area just east of St Saviour's Dock, and St Saviour's Dock blocks access and forms an 'island' on either side, suggests to me that Jacob's Island is indeed likely to have been on the east side of St Saviour's Dock only, i.e. east of Shad Thames proper. But I haven't checked extensively on the Internet for more information. Ben Finn 15:48, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm now fairly certain from other descriptions of Jacob's Island I've read or heard about that it was the area east of St Saviour's Dock and hence east of Shad Thames proper (though arguably Shad Thames now extends a short distance east of St Saviour's Dock, at least in estate agents' parlance). Ben Finn 22:50, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Failed GA[edit]

No references. Please read WP:GA? --SeizureDog 15:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of films[edit]

I've restored the list of films shot in Shad Thames - it seems harmless to me and of some interest, e.g. to people who have seen one or more of the films and who are visiting the area. Ben Finn 18:12, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Knights Templar removed[edit]

I have removed the end of the introductory paragraph, that read " itself because the Knights Templar of the Order of St John owned land locally;^[1] if so..."

The Knights Templar had nothing to do with St. John. I believe the author was confusing them with the Knights Hospitaller. However, as I cannot say whether the Hospitallers ever owned land at Shad Thames it would be inappropriate to simply change the wording.

OTOH, if anybody can make an etymological link between "Poor Knights of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon" and "Shad Thames" I will buy them a Mars Bar.

The reference for the orignial statement was also no longer functioning, which itself hardly adds weight to the original wording. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.80.105.207 (talk) 11:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ The Swiftstone Trust web site

All Time Low[edit]

I've cut this as the lyrics don't mention Shad Thames - they mention Thames Street:

The pop punk band All Time Low from Baltimore refer to the location in their 2007 single "Six Feet Under The Stars" in a line in which the singer says "Meet me on Thames Street"

Ben Finn (talk) 15:37, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

Can we find a reliable source for the etymology of the name "Shad Thames"? It's already in evidence on William Morgan's 1682 map of London, so the article's supposition that it has something to do with the 18th century Church of St John is not plausible (moreover, the idea that "St John at Thames" could somehow transform into "Shad Thames" stretches credulity). The second supposition made in the article, that the name means something like "stretch of the Thames abounding in shads", is not out of the realm of possibility, but this would be a very unusual name for a street. I've consulted A. D. Mills' Dictionary of London Place-Names, but Shad Thames is skipped over unfortunately. Zacwill (talk) 13:22, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[swiftstone-1] The Swiftstone Trust web site

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