Talk:BMT Lexington Avenue Line

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These were separate lines, and the line downtown was always called the Fifth Avenue el. Together they were sometimes referred to as the "Fifth and Third Avenue els." Their service patterns were different. The primary service on the Fifth Avenue el was the Culver Line right up to 1940. The BMT #6 service, called the Fifth Avenue el was actually the secondary service which operated as a shuttle from 36th St. to 65th Street in off houts. It was also known as the "Bay Ridge el". -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 09:27, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Brighton Line[edit]

There could have been no direct connection to Brighton Line trains from the Lex. Passengers would have to have made their way to the LIRR Atlantic Branch on foot, then taken an LIRR train to Bedford Station--really a roundabout way to get to Coney Island. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 09:45, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Actually the article says "At East New-York passengers can take either the Manhattan or Brighton Beach route." Either way it was a transfer to a more traditional railroad; maybe Brighton Beach trains went along the LIRR back then. --SPUI 09:50, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Which article? Trains of the BF&CI went to Flatbush Avenue, not East New York. LIRR trains went to Brighton Beach by trackage arrangement, so either way it wouldn't have been BF&CI. BUT, by 1885, the trackage arrangement between the Brighton and the LIRR ended because the LIRR had leased the NY&MB, so they were competitors. This drovethe BF&CI into bankruptcy. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 10:22, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

A Short Cut to Coney Island, New York Times June 15, 1885 page 5 --SPUI 10:43, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ah, I see your confusion. People could take the Brighton Beach route, but they had to take the LIRR to get to it. The BF&CI did not make any kind of direct connection. If you want to mention the Brighton, I think it needs some qualification. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 10:52, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Parallel to Bridge[edit]

Why do you think the BERR station wasn't parallel to Brooklyn Bridge? I've seen it described that way and there is a picture of the station, taken from Fulton Street. It was clearly parallel to the bridge. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 10:22, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm, the map I saw shows the York Street line at about a 45 degree angle. The Fulton Street line was almost parallel, and the York Street line was pretty much parallel at the transfer station to the bridge. If I can find it, I'll post it here. --SPUI 10:43, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

ARe you looking at the "Tracks of New York" Karl Groh map? It's wrong. Honest mistake. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 10:52, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Actually I was looking at Image:1897 Rand McNally Brooklyn.jpg. It's not as clear as I thought - its possible the line came under the bridge and then curved again, or it's possible Rand McNally was as bad then as they are now. --SPUI 10:53, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Also, can you look over the recent changes I made to the first abandonment? I'm not sure I got everything correct. --SPUI 10:43, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Sadly, I have to punch out now. Will eagerly see your replies and work later on. Cheers! Cecropia | explains it all ® 10:52, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Kings County Elevated?[edit]

How did the KCERR come into the picture? That was the Fulton Street Line. They didn't operate either the Myrtle or the Lex. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 10:37, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Gah, that was my confusion. Who operated the Myrtle? --SPUI 10:43, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Union Elevated Railroad, combined to become the Brooklyn Union Elevated Railroad. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 10:48, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Services[edit]

"Better Service on the Brooklyn L". Brooklyn Daily Eagle. Brooklyn, NY. 20 December 1893. p. 12. mentions that, at the time, all Lexington Avenue trains ended at Gates Avenue. --NE2 12:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Map????[edit]

Could we please have a map? Dogru144 (talk) 03:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Old portions on the Jamaica Line[edit]

This citation needed tag in the one line in the lead paragraph bothers me;

The structure above Broadway and Fulton Street is now part of the BMT Jamaica Line. East of Alabama Avenue in East New York, the original structure still exists (albeit reinforced), and is the oldest such structure in the subway system.[citation needed]

I could swipe every single tag of every station between Gates Avenue (BMT Jamaica Line) and Van Siclen Avenue (BMT Jamaica Line) but that would be just pure overkill. Anyone have a better solution? ---------User:DanTD (talk) 05:03, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE - Well, it looks like overkill is the only solution. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 21:34, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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