Talk:Effeminacy

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Lets focus

WHEELER is at least partially right, that the article should not overfocus on homosexuality and alternative sexuality, quasi/pseudo/para/whatever... but it doesn't. It actually focuses too much on the classical definition, which while insightful and interesting, simply does not deserve this over-riding level of focus. Does the "Classical Western definition of Malakos" deserve an article? Maybe (Wiki is not paper, and I support vanity articles as well) but this isn't (and/or shouldnt be) it. Lets stop wasting all this time and energy and make this article a good one on what the word "effeminacy" means today, and how it is used. Sam [Spade] 23:12, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No Sam. What a modern definition is about rewriting the definition of two thousand years. I Cor 6.9 is still in use for the Christian Churches. In this "*modern*" definition will it include the meaning that the Orthodox and Roman Catholic Churches have ALWAYS applied to I Cor 6.9. NO it will not. If you want to make a modern definition of the term be my guest. I have no complaints. Do what ever you want. But that modern definition will have nothing to do with the classical sense of the word. Hyacinth and Jwrosenzweig want to redefine the classical term to their modern proclivities. I tell you Sam the Catholic Church will not accept that. These people hate Christianity and so these people are going to rewrite the term according to themselves?????? What about the Christians that use this website?? Screw them. uh?

Do you want me to move the classical definition into the body of this article? Do you want all the meanings combined in one article? What is wrong with an Effeminacy disambiguation page? One for the classical Christian sense and one for you liberals? You can't take Black and white and mix them together. I agree with Korpios whose original thing was to make an disambiguation page.WHEELER 14:22, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

For all the Greek words that mean effeminacy and it is not all that simple. I am trying to get "Greek" language experts to help here. Please see: Image:Effeminacy.jpg. WHEELER 15:23, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

When one types in the word "*Activism*" One gets all the following: Animal rights activism
Anticonsumerist activism
Anti-corporate activism
Anti-racist activism
Civil and social disobedience
Civil disobedience
Culture jamming
Demonstrations
Economic activism
Environmental activism
Fair trade
Guerrilla communication
Hacktivism
Libertarian socialism
Nationalist activism
Nonviolence
Sniggling
Student activism
Tactical Frivolity
Voluntary simplicity
Youth activism

Look at all these articles on Activism. Let's follow the same rules here. Make all these into one article and I will agree to make every defintion of effeminacy into one article. We are being a little hypocritical in trying to make effeminacy into one article.WHEELER 15:38, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• The word "Malakos" is still used in Modern Greek to mean "soft". It has no sexual conotations. Now if the there is a vowel changed like to "Malakia" which is also used in modern Greek, it means masturbator. It is akin to onanism.WHEELER 14:03, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2023

The photo under Modern Context that shows "An example of what a femboy may look like" contains a photo of someone who DOES NOT identify as a femboy and identifies as a "sissy". This is highly offensive and a misrepresentation of femboys and the community.

I highly recommend changing the photo to something that correctly represents what a femboy is.

I suggest reverting back to this photo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/198992190@N07/53136506553

There are posts within the community already discussing this.

Thank you. AlternateTemp1 (talk) 08:27, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

This is also a great example, and probably a better one:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/198992190@N07/53136525628/ AlternateTemp1 (talk) 08:46, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

AlternateTemp1 a potential problem here is a similar photo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/198992190@N07/53136506553/in/gallery-197945732@N07-72157721921762920/) by the same uploader on Flickr was removed (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FemboyPup_in_2022.jpg) due to apparently not having permission. This is a similar photo by the same user that may also end up getting deleted. It would need to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons before adding it here. I was going to do this myself but I'm concerned about it getting deleted due to also not having permission being it’s a similar photo from the same Flickr uploader. I've removed what was the current photo due to your disagreement with it. All the best. Helper201 (talk) 17:12, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done: Given ongoing discussion and that the image in question was removed by another editor while that discussion takes place, I'm marking this as answered. -- Pinchme123 (talk) 23:47, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

obl_911 or SeptemberTragedy Is definitly a femboy because he said UwU — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.192.62.197 (talk) 00:06, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Definitions

@Helper201: regarding my proposed rewrite of the first few sentences, here's a brief dictionary survey suggesting that "man or boy" is the correct scope of this article.

• effeminate – "having feminine qualities untypical of a man : not manly in appearance or manner"
  • "effeminate". Merriam-Webster.com Dictionary.
• effeminacy – "​the quality in a man or boy of looking, behaving or sounding like a woman or a girl"
  • "effeminacy". Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary.
• "(of a man or boy) displaying characteristics regarded as typical of a woman"
  • "effeminacy". Collins English Dictionary.

–RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (💬 • 📝) 20:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

On a re-read it sounds like your issue was specifically with using "men" standalone as a specifier of age. In this edit I changed the shortdesc to Feminine qualities in boys or men which hopefully addresses that, and keeps us in line with other sources defining the word. Any other issues with the lede as rewritten? It strikes me as a fairly straightforward summary of the body.

Given that this article lies squarely on the gender side of things and our sources prefer "boys and men", we should avoid "males" and "not of the female sex". I'm not seeing a source basis for the more sex-based lens those words imply. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (💬 • 📝) 20:58, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, the new lead looks like a significant improvement over the old one. I think the overall tone of the new lead is also more neutral and encyclopedic. Hist9600 (talk) 22:02, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2023

To add a image to the modern context section to show what a femboy looks like, such as this.

A femboy taking a mirror selfie

628318Tau (talk) 02:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 11:29, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

 Note: the request was made by someone who describes the selfie as their own work, meaning they have a conflict of interest. M.Bitton (talk) 11:34, 25 October 2023 (UTC)