Talk:Al-Mustazhir

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I wonder where Muir got the impression that Raymond was going to attack Baghdad...that doesn't make any sense. The furthest east anyone ever went on the First Crusade was Edessa, and Tokat isn't anywhere near Baghdad, is it? Adam Bishop 19:19, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

In one of the article, there was this line: "The great history of Tabari comes to an end at the year 302 A.H. = 914-915 A.D. From this point the best authorities are Ibn al-Athir (d. 1232-1233 A.D.) and Ibn Miskawaih (d. 1030 A.D.)"

He must have gotten it from al-Athir or some early Muslim writer like him. It could still be wrong. You can delete it if it's wrong OneGuy 00:29, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Okay, I'll have to see if I can find al-Athir then. I can imagine that people in Baghdad heard about Raymond and though the crusaders were coming that far east, but they certainly never tried. Adam Bishop 01:41, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Moreover, I am not sure if Muir was an expert on Crusades. He was Arab/Islamic scholar. He probably read that claim about Crusades by some early Arab writer and believed it. OneGuy 18:05, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

There seems to be an obvious contradiction in the article: it says that Al-Mustazhir died in 1118, yet cites Muir as saying that he died in 1136. You can't have two different death dates for the same person. --Groucho (talk) 08:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]