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50% of the Chinese Canadian population are rich[edit]

About 50 percent of the Chinese population in Canada, are rich. It may sound unbelievable, but it is true. Before 1997, many rich Hong Kong Chinese immigrants have immigrated to Canada. In addition, wealthy Taiwanese immigrants have settled in Canada. Recently, Chinese international students who are rich enough to afford education in the West, have also settled in Canada. When these groups are combined, the population is large, am I right? But there is still more. There are still more rich Chinese groups that most Canadians neglect to heard. They are corrupted mainland Chinese officials who've fled to Canada and Chinese prostitutes who've made their fortunes from corrupted officials in China and then fled to Canada. About 50 percent of Chinese Canadians are rich and the other 50 percent are just poor or middle-class Chinese Canadians. (UTC) -Zeppo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.140.235.202 (talk) 03:01, January 28, 2007 (UTC)

Two things:
1)How do you define rich?
2)Where are your reference(s)? (internet site, newspaper article, etc.)

--The Dark Side 03:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


"Rich" is a subjective term. From one perspective, one can say that everyone living in Canada is rich. That translates to 100% affluence, or perhaps, "rich" in your terms...and some people living in a third world country is "poor". That's a fairly rich observation you made. Now define rich. Flytrap canada 20:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To me, rich defines that the value of your home plus the total income in your saving add up to one million dollar or more. 16:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC) -Zeppo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.19 (talk) 12:36, March 20, 2007‎ (UTC)
Inflation and wage increase means that we would all be rich in the years to come... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.20.192.54 (talk) 03:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Successful, rich and educated people generally don't have children or have less children. If you are poor and uneducated, you will have more children. That's just the fact of life in developed countries. Sonic99 01:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese term[edit]

In Canada there are several terms for "Chinese Canadian". Two terms in particular (one of which is not mentioned in the current article) are:

  1. 加藉華人 (lit. "Chinese person with Canadian citizenship", corresponding to the English term "Canadian Chinese")—an older term which stresses the Chinese identity; Canadian citizenship being secondary
  2. 華裔加人 (lit. "Canadian person of Chinese ancestry", corresponding to the English term "Chinese Canadian")—a newer term which stresses the Canadian identity; Chinese ancestry being secondary (This term is listed in the current version of the article)

The term "加拿大華人" looks like a straight translation from English. It's in current use, too, but I'm not sure about if there are any similar nuances in meaning. (Just by looking at the form of this compound, it probably just means "Chinese person in Canada", but the WP editors certainly would like to want citations for this to death.)—Gniw (Wing) 18:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

time to rid our community of self promoters[edit]

Now what defines a "prominent" Chinese Canadian? As the list of names grow longer...I can't help but to notice a number of names that are in red colour. In this wiki community, that's a word without a link to more info. So, if a name is placed on this list, there should at least be the courtesy explanation of who the individual is. Otherwise, it's just hollow.

I recognize a few of the names and admit that the majority of the people on the list has contributed to the overall Chinese Canadian identity, but let's keep the list real and respectful. Flytrap canada 20:30, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

kristin kreuk[edit]

ok why does it say shes not living in canada and living in usa? im pretty sure smallville is filmed in british columbia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.142.82.222 (talk) 05:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Yes, the Smallville studio is in Burnaby, BC (about 2 blocks from my house but I've never camped out to catch a glimpse of any of the stars :)). Southsloper 22:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian-born Chinese[edit]

Most of the Canadian-born Chinese were born from Hong Kong immigrants. Since Hong Kong was part of the Commomwealth, it was easier for Hong Kong people to immigrate to Canada. A few Taiwanese immigrants came to Canada in the 1970s and 1980s and had children. Sonic99 05:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You need to provide some sort of reference to support that claim. A personal assertion doesn't count for Wikipedia's verifiability requirements. Beyond that, your edit would be a lot better received if it were presented in a civil manner. Please consider that changes made without explanation, deletion of a controversial subject (Taiwan), and aggressive comments such as "should be edited by a real asian, not by a caucasian" do not give your edits the appearance of "good faith". --Ckatzchatspy 09:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for providing a source. Based on that reference, I have tweaked the immigration text to include Taiwan as that is clearly indicated by the census data. I'll try to find some information on the "birth" section. --Ckatzchatspy 18:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese in WWII[edit]

Can someone expand the section of Chinese in WWII? appreciated. Jackzhp 23:35, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I could add more, but that it would have to spun off into a separate article as it would probably violate the undue weight rules. Cheers!--A.S. Brown (talk) 17:40, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of prominent Chinese Canadians[edit]

What are the criteria for inclusion in this list? Kappa 20:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Demographic Update[edit]

I was thinking the 2001 Census data would be getting kinda old and thus under represent the number of Chinese Canadians. Upon checking at [[1]], I see that there will be 2006 Census data available on 2 April 2008. I leave this note in the hope that updates will be made as soon as that date arrives. AnthroGael 08:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article has become a racist joke[edit]

This article has become little more than a reinforcement of popular myths and is highly patronising to many people around the globe as a result. In particular, this article:

1.Falsely implies that most Cantonese, Hokkien and Taiwanese peoples are of Chinese ethnicity. In fact nothing else can be further from the truth. In fact, their ancestors were the victims of one of the worst genocides in world history at the hands of various Chinese armies. Once subjugated, the existences of distinct Cantonese, Hokkien and Taiwanese ethnic identities (as opposed to 'regional' identities) were 'conveniently' forgotten by most people in the world (and tragically to this day). Thus from this point of view, the label of Chinese ethnicity was a brutal imposition upon the Cantonese, Hokkien and Taiwanese peoples against the wills of the said local peoples.

2.Implies that Taiwan is part of China. The reality is that Taiwan is **NOT** part of China and will never be for the foreseeable future. Over the past several millennia, the Taiwanese have maintained a distinct ethnic identity totally separate from the Chinese ethnicity. Therefore, to describe the Taiwanese as 'Chinese' is not merely wrong; it is downright offensive.

3.Fails to make any real distinctions between the concepts of ancestry and ethnicity whatsoever. There is more to ethnicity than simply being descended from a particular ancestor. Naturally, ethnic identities evolve and may even change over time (but not counting genocides). One could even argue that the concept of ancestry is nothing more than a political and social misconstruct since a recent scientific study has proven beyond reasonable doubt that all modern humans were descended from Africans.

The above points, in particular, MUST be taken seriously. Someone who is an expert on the subject matter of this article must edit this article IMMEDIATELY to remove the blatant biases in the article (including population figures).

Note: I would have attempted to correct some of the biases in the article, but owing to the fact that most of the required references are very difficult to obtain (and generally not found on the internet), I have called for an expert to fix the article instead.122.105.145.169 (talk) 10:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since no one has responded to the above concerns in a meaningful way, I have flagged the article as biased and inaccurate. 122.105.149.241 (talk) 12:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gee, and here I thought the POV tempalte was because of all the usual lies and misrepresentations about the Chinese and their history in Canada. I have corrected some of these, though they will re-occur as also in other related articles bracuse these lies are so common in the "official" story as presented by Chinese Canadian organizations and repeated by the govenrment and gullible reporters....among these lies was "Their contacts with non-Chinese were restricted as well, officially and unofficially" which I removed as completely false; it makes it sound like comings-and-goings were controlled and almost as if they were Jews in Nazi Germany....such opverblown hype and outright falsity is all too tpyical of "reliable sources" which aren't reliable at all; other false or distorted claims abound, some with fact tags. I also would maintain there's a difference between "Chinese Canadian" and "Canadians of Chinese descent" - the latter would be Canadianized, i.e. "assimilated" or "bananas" or "halfbreeds" as pureblood Chinese are known to call them, while hte forme woudl tend to be those who identify primarily as Chinese first, Canadian second.....this same comparison applies to German Canadians and Canadians of German descent etc.....Skookum1 (talk) 15:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Curiously, most members of those Chinese armies spoke cantonese. 99.244.189.70 (talk) 08:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed: 89% of CBCs competent at writing Chinese[edit]

I dispute the statement that as many as 89% of Canadian-born Chinese are competent at reading and writing Chinese and can recognize up to 4,000 characters.

According to Wikipedia, and based on my experience in China, even many Chinese nationals can't recognize that many:

Literacy requires the memorization of a great many characters: Educated Chinese know about 4,000,[9][10] while educated Japanese know about half that many.[8]

So I consulted the quoted source, "Canadian Social Trends":

About 3% of the [Canadian] population, or 872,400 people, reported a Chinese language as their mother tongue, that is, the language (or one of the languages) that they learned as a child and still understand.

However, only about 790,500 people reported speaking a Chinese language at home on a regular basis, 81,900 fewer than those who reported having a Chinese mother tongue.

This suggests some language loss has occurred, mainly among the Canadian-born who learned Chinese as a child, but who may not speak it regularly or do not use it as their main language at home.

Based on rough calculations, 9.4% of all Canadians who have a Chinese mother tongue (including immigrants and not CBCs who do not have a Chinese mother tongue, or at least do not claim to have one) do not speak Chinese at home. The report also states that in 2001, 25% of Chinese in the country were Canadian born. It's safe to assume that, of the 81,900 who didn't speak Chinese at home in 2001, a large majority can be drawn from the roughly 218,000 Canadian-born Chinese. Based on these figures, my conjecture would be that up to or over one-third of all CBCs do not speak Chinese at home, or anywhere else for that matter, much less read and write. 221.222.228.177 (talk) 07:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I know a lot of CBC's and very few of them can write fluently. I find that 89% number very dubious, I'd very much like to see a citation. TastyCakes (talk) 01:16, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is a misquote. The first half is from the StatsCan report [Chinese Canadians: Enriching the cultural mosaic]. The second half was added somewhere along the way. It reads like an editorial addition from a community newspaper, or something along those lines. I'm going to remove the non-sourced part and tag the remainder with a reference to the StatsCan article. Attaining that level of literacy in Chinese is a massive undertaking. It requires years of dedicated study and immersion for anyone studying the language. You don't get it for free just by having Chinese parents. Agentchuck (talk) 19:55, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

JUST TO CLEAR SOME THINGS UP[edit]

"""Implies that Taiwan is part of China. The reality is that Taiwan is **NOT** part of China and will never be for the foreseeable future. Over the past several millennia, the Taiwanese have maintained a distinct ethnic identity totally separate from the Chinese ethnicity. Therefore, to describe the Taiwanese as 'Chinese' is not merely wrong; it is downright offensive."""


The article does not imply that Taiwan is a part of China. What it states is that not every Chinese person that immigrated to Canada did so from CHINA!! Whether you believe it or not there are Chinese people living in Taiwan and other parts of the world.

Although i do have to say that the population stated for Chinese in Canad right now i believe is wrong. I have just checked the 2006 census, and unless i got my data all wrong there should be 576,980 Chinese in Ontario rather than the 644 thousand it says on the site.

On the refenced site, government statistics. It states that there are 576,980 Chinese in Ontario and 1,216 million in Canada. How come these figures missed about a hundred thousand Chinese? Not to mention that it states there are 500 something thousand Chinese in Toronto, on the referenced government site it states 486,330. I find it funny how people here mention the stupidest things, but not the actual stats on the Chinese population.


"""" 50% of the Chinese Canadian population are rich""""

Do you even know how to look at census data? Where are you getting this figure from? The Chinese in Canada actually make less on average than the rest of the population. Look on the government website. Next time at least try to back up your claims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenzo4000 (talk • contribs) 02:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wo Hing and Yick Yee/Yip Yee[edit]

Article request, sort of, though I may start the stubs when I have certain books on hand again for citation purposes. These are two of the various prominent rancher-merchants of the Lillooet-Bonaparte era; Chinese merchants were among the first to purchase newly-surveyed townsite plots in Lillooet and elsewhere, many survived as businesses for years; Wo Hing, proprietor of a store of the same name visible on most early photograph's of Lillooet's Main Street, also owned a hog ranch farther north on the west side of the Fraser which is the namesake of a Hogback Mountain in the area (or Hogsback, maybe). Yee Yip, also known as Yick Yee, was a cattle rancher in the Hat Creek Valley, who opened a store in Cache Creek. Both that operation, though continued by his widow and sons after he died, and Wo Hing's, lasted into the 20th Century; I don't know what their arrival dates or when their stores opened, though some city directories exist in certain libraries which may list him, as was common in directories for towns in that part of the Interior; they weren't alone, and there's bio articles begging to be written about certain frontier and gold-town Chinese personalities; see Omineca Gold Rush for a picture of Ahbau, one of the area's more famous miners; the Cayoosh Gold Rush, the workings entirely Chinese, with 300 miners working a six-mile stretch of the creek of that name, which is adjacent to the town of Lillooet, was one of the richest of the 19th Century's many BC gold rushes; Chinese merchants and ranchers throve in areas the non-Chinese had long moved on from, and were more patient with the gold workings and stuck it out when the quick paydirt was gone, finding even more through better techniques etc. There's a few early bios out there, mostly because of recent published works e.g. Alexander Won Cumyow....seen various things on early Victoria merchants, and Port Douglas, Yale etc...Wo Hing's store lasted until WWII, and according to a certain book, was still alive at the opening of the Japanese invasion of China, when $40,000 was raised for relief for Shanghai by the local newspaper publisher Ma Murray, who'd survived the attack on Shanghai herself. I guess what I'm getting at is there's more to Chinese Canadian history that could be written about than wealth and ecuation statistics and other percentages; about individuals, about success stories and not just litanies about immigration, voting rights, the head tax, the railway etc. There's a fair number of modern bios, and key political/rights bios and politicians, but also there's stories of the frontier merchants and ranchers, and mines and miners, and of successful stores, some of which grew into empires - I'm curious what happened to Wo Hing's wealth, and where his family moved on to, down to the Coast is all I've seen; the Yick Yee Company I think relocated to Victoria or somewhere and survived for a while, or became something larger; this is in Lorraine Harris' Halfway to the Goldfields, though you'll only find that in used bookstores or online at amazon etc. Just trying to offer creative suggestions, and to see if anyone out there is interested in frontier-town mine/ranch history; it's hard to tell the story of the goldfields, or of early settlement, without covering this stuff; it's overshadowed by the railway and immigration politics, but involved at least as many Chinese Canadians, and certainly more better-off ones, than did the railway, that's for certain...I wish there were more published works on this, there's not, other than older histories and various references in current papers I've seen, or in books such as Cole Harris' Thte Resettlement of British Columbia, which is on Googlebooks...he talks about the Fraser Canyon towns and benchlands becoming dominantly Chinese, when not native, after the main gold rushes had moved on, all through the quiet years between the gold rush and the coming of the railway. And of certain events here and there; but local histories will often have material on individaul Chinese, and you'd be surprised where some of these stories are to be found...Atlin, Dease Lake, the Omineca and the Peace, of course the canneries nearly anywhere, and so on...it's not all about railway camps and Chinatowns, in other words....it's all out there, just not in one handy place....Skookum1 (talk) 08:46, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removed "Canasians" from top paragraph[edit]

This refers to all Asian-Canadians. If you're a Japanese- or Korean-Canadian, you're still "Canasian." It isn't limited to Chinee-Canadians, so I took it out. Leaving a note here bc making a change to a top paragraph seems like a big deal.

Also changed "one other ethnic group" to "another ethnicity." The "multiple ethnicity" responders in the quoted statistic could be a mix of various ethnic groups. Thanks. Pumpkin888 (talk) 23:02, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keanu Reeves is Chinese?![edit]

I love the guy, but our Wiki page says "Reeves's mother is English, and his father is a Hawaii-born American of English, Irish, Portuguese, Hawaiian, and Chinese descent." At most, he's 1/4 Chinese, if not less. I propose removing him from the linked "List of Chinese Canadians." If we include anyone who has any Chinese relative in their distant past, we're going to have a very long list! Pumpkin888 (talk) 23:19, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So what? Adrienne Clarkson falls in the same category, doesn't she? Maybe there's a need for a separate Canadians of Chinese descent (just to be fair)...presumably for those of mixed-blood, but we dno't do that for Norwegian Canadian, German Canadian, Italian Canadian etc. If somebody's part-Chinese, even 1/4 to them they're Chinese Canadian (as well as Italian Canadian or Irish Canadian or whatevr else they may also be. It's interesting that him being Hawaiian is here; in Hawaiian traditional culture, you're Hawaiian if you're as little as 1/32nd or less Hawaiian; if you have any Hawaiian blood at all, you have pono, as it's called, and cultural/social equality/respect from full-blood Hawaiians; this can also apply to people who are Hawaiian in spirit, it seems...evidently a more inclusive ethnic identity, but I've heard similar from people with Gypsy, Sami, Native Canadian/American etc....where do you draw the line? Not sure - on the Cherokee people page, wherever that redirects (probably Tsalagi), or on its talkpage rather, there's a discussion about who to include and who not; Cher and Burt Reynolds self-identify as Cherokee, as do many Americans, but there's a debate by "real Cherokee" if they're Cherokee or not, i.e. if they have the "right" to call themselves. I submit that ethnicity is about self-identification....not about how others define you; I suggest you consider that when deciding who to cut away from their Chinese-Canadian-ness.Skookum1 (talk) 00:20, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry, Skookum. He's still there. I didn't delete him. I just brought up the question since I've never seen or heard of him identifying himself as Chinese-Canadian. I did a quickie online search and couldn't find a source in which he does. (There are a few sources that say he's ethnically 1/4 Chinese, but that's all). He's also on the list of Asian-Canadians which says "Keanu Reeves, actor of partial Chinese and Hawaiian ancestry." I think that is clearer than simply saying he is Chinese-Canadian. Clarkson has much stronger Chinese ties, being born in Hong Kong to Chinese parents. She's also spoken about her Chinese background and is often identified by media like the CBC as the "Chinese-Canadian governor general" Thanks for your comment! Pumpkin888 (talk) 16:02, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Too Many Names on Chinese-Canadians List?[edit]

I counted 88 names on the top part of the list. And that's before I got to the not-in-Canada part and my eyes crossed! I think some of these names were put up with good intention, but don't quite rise to being in an encyclopedia. There are many people with long, successful careers in academia, media, science, etc -- but unless they rise to being a public figure, or do something particularly prominent, they shouldn't be on here. I think we should look at Chris Luk (engineer), Jonathan Liu and Tim Lim, none of whom seem to have a ton of secondary sources out there. Maybe someone who knows HK pop culture better can sort through the entertainers -- some are stars, many are not. Pumpkin888 (talk) 17:02, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese embassy page should not be part of "Chinese Canadian"[edit]

To be frank, it's offensive. I like China (and many other countries). But the Chinese embassy does not represent Chinese Canadians. Does the French embassy represent Quebec? Of course not. What I am surprised by is that Wikipedia keeps on adding it even though I removed it a number of times from the "See Also" section. The Chinese embassy represents the Chinese government and the Chinese people and represents them to the Canadian government and people. It is NOT tied with Chinese Canadians. Chinese Canadians or Canadians of any other ethnicity need to get a Chinese visa to visit China. I believe people at Wikipedia don't have an understanding of ethnic issue and citizenship. Please remove the link.

32.60.108.73 (talk) 01:17, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what your talking about its in the see also section not part of the article. The link is simply to help our readers find articles related to the topic at hand -- it has no bearing on the article its self. Best to read Wikipedia:Layout#See also section before making POV removals. See also Wikipedia:Not censored is something we take very seriously especially when it comes to China related articles.Moxy (talk) 01:24, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading section[edit]

The section with chart titled "Canadian cities with large Chinese Populations" seems to be inaccurate and improperly labeled. The referenced link does not work. The title of the chart refers to "Canadian cities," but these numbers clearly do not correspond to the cities listed but (probably) are intended to correspond to the metropolitan areas they are apart of. The problem is, these numbers do not even match up to the numbers provided by Stats Canada for the metropolitan areas they belong to. For instance Abbotsford, BC on the CC Wikipedia page says it has 13,550 Chinese people living there. On the Stats Canada page it has only 2,075 Chinese people listed as living in Abbotsford. Also there isn't really a Greater Abbotsford or an Abbotsford metropolitan area to take into account here. There are issues with the other "cities" listed as well.

Perhaps this chart should be taken down. It could be recreated by someone who has the desire to make it accurate.

http://www12.statcan.ca/census-recensement/2006/dp-pd/prof/92-591/details/Page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CSD&Code1=5909052&Geo2=PR&Code2=59&Data=Count&SearchText=abbotsford&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&Custom=

Air.light (talk) 20:49, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Source in Japanese about Chinese Canadians[edit]

On CiNii I found:

Since there are an abundance of sources in English, French, and/or Chinese it's not necessary to link to this from the English article. However if someone starts an article in Japanese this will be useful. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:45, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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>Wrong word[edit]

At least I think it might be the wrong word..........

The Canadian media in the late 19th and early 20th centuries depicted the Chinatowns in lucid and sensationalist terms...

This was written by User:A.S. Brown.

Is "lucid" the right word here? I rather think the context suggests that "lurid" may have been what was meant. If so, change it, please. Kelisi (talk) 21:44, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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