Talk:Geographical midpoint of Europe

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About Estonian center[edit]

Please delete false info about Estonian centre. Yes, they have wanted it to open it as somekinda tourist attraction, but its calculated so wrong. Check the globe and you see it. Someone has taken this center from who knows how wrong geographical projection, not from precise repsresentation of reality. For example i have here Europe in Mercator projection (makes landmasses near poles really large) and here centre looks like in Finland. http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/LA2-Europe-UTM-zones.png/111px-LA2-Europe-UTM-zones.png Scandinavia is so big :D! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.126.102.10 (talk) 12:36, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Header[edit]

Shouldn't all centres be mentioned in the header? So far it seems that we're supporting one version, while the rest are merely claims... Halibutt 09:32, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC) 

: Yes, this is very POV. As someone noted below, the METHODOLOGY supporting each claim, including French Nat Geo office's, should be clarified. 72.183.52.92 (talk) 13:15, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Two similar articles[edit]

There are two articles Geographic Centre of Europe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_Centre_of_Europe and Geographical centre of Europe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_centre_of_Europe - both containig almost the same data - with minor differences. The second one has also the possibility of being redirected from Geographic centre of Europe. The difference seems to me to lye in the capital or lowercase "c" in "centre". I don't know how do it but one of them should be removed - and have the infomation transferred from the other. (I've been editing both of them but couldn't synchronize them). noychoH 18:18, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

CENTRE OF EUROPE?[edit]

If you look at the map of Europe then you can clearly see that claim of center of Europe to be in Lithuania is ridiculous. There are regions we all call Western Europe, Central Europe and Eastern Europe. Accoring to common sence that means that centre of Europe should be in the central portion of Europe. Coutries that have always been seen as a Central Europe members are Austria, Switzerland, Bohemia, Hungary and may be Slovakia. In the middle ages even German Holy Empire (Central European Union) decided to place their Capital in Prague (Bohemia) and then in Vienna (Austria) as they expanded more to the east. Those two ancient capital cities can truly claim central or heart of Europe status. If you look at the map, Bohemia / Austria regions are the very central part of most maps that show Europe today. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.242.95.132 (talk) 10:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

According to the tourism office of the Lithuanian site, the French calculation is based on a Europe whose extreme points are as follows: "The northern point was defined at Spitsbergen (80° 45’N – 20°35’E), the southern point in the Canary Islands (27°38’N – 17°58’W), the eastern point at the crest of the Urals (67°59’N – 66°10’E) and the western point in the Azores (39°27’N – 31°16’W)." The geographical centre of the continent may of course be very different from the demographical centre. Also, remember that the centre of Europe is not necessarily the heart of Europe - if your heart is in the centre of your body, I'd suggest consulting a cardiac specialist asap ;-) Man vyi 11:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Dear anonym, it seems you forgot that we are talking about the GEOGRAPHICAL center of Europe, not political. It means, that you must have in account the fact, that Europe's east boundary is Urals mountain.
I understand your incomprehension, because almost nobody of west-europeans can agree with the fact, that Russia contains quite a big part of Europe. So, take the GEOGRAPHICAL map once again, and maybe now the claim of center of Europe in Lithuania won't be so ridiculous.
Aiwaz--88.102.114.146 07:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I was of course supporting Lithuania's right to a claim to the geographical centre according to the French calculations. According to the previous anonymous poster, the claim was ridiculous; I countered that statement. I don't think I can reasonably be accused of incomprehension! Man vyi 08:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I thought both two paragraphs are yours. Aiwaz88.102.114.146 18:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since when are the canary islands a geographical part of Europe? They are only politically part of Europe. So too is French Guyana so maybe it should be an extreme point too.

question - Centermost village by population[edit]

Has someone calculated the centermost village in Europe by population? Common sense tells that it should be south of the geographical centerpoints but where exactly? Somewhere near the slovak, chech, austrian border? Well it doesn't matter... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 91.153.60.138 (talk) 12:49, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if we mean the same: I'm interested in a "Center of mass" of a Population density-figure of Europe. I mean denser-populated areas should have more weight and empty regions have less influence. Is there a software to calculate this? ChrisR --79.21.106.156 (talk) 14:12, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong coordinates[edit]

The coordinates for the Ukrainian "centre of Europe" given in the article (48°30′N 23°23′E) cannot be correct. I have seen these coordinates mentioned in other sources as well, but the problem is this point is nowhere near the village of Dilove. The downtown area of the village itself is at 47°56′N 24°10.5′E (which is about 85 km from the point given in the article). The "centre of Europe" is outside the village. I visited the place 15 years ago and I remember that it is right next to the highway, but I cannot remember if it is north or south of the village and how far. But many sources mention a railway bridge nearby (and I vaguely remember seeing it as well). Based on the topographic map of the area, [1], the bridge is about 3.5 km NNE of the village downtown and there is actually a mark on the map next to the bridge denoting some kind of "monument". Also, this article (in Ukrainian) mentions that the point is between the villages of Dilove and Kostylivka, which again is consistent with its being north of Dilove. Based on this, the Ukrainian claim to the "centre of Europe" is at 47°57.5′N 24°11′E. --132.204.68.109 12:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanx for VERY interesting, insightful remarks. I have personally never been there. The coordinates you put under a question are mentioned virtually EVERYWHERE, even in the Ukrainian article you have made a link to. And I remember having seen somewhere a photo of the original monumement on which these coordinates are also written. This of course does not prove that the coordinates are wrong bacause the actual location of the monument might not be the one that it should be placed in. (problems with displaced monuments are not so uncommon in the history of mankind). But of course this raises the whole question again and it should be examined against other sources - e.g. visiting the point (48°30′N 23°23′E) might show some light. I will make a note of this problem in the article. Regards, noychoH 09:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Journey to the Centre of Europe / Saaremaa[edit]

Does anyone know how Saaremaa came to be calculated as the centre of Europe? I am going on a journey with my family to visit some of the different centres of Europe, including Torun, Suchowola, Saaremaa and Bernotai. We leave London next week in a Land Rover Defender. Please follow us at www.journey2.tv. All suggestions, advice, comments will be appreciated! Gozols 23:46, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tag[edit]

In Revision as of 08:46, 20 January 2007 User:CieloEstrellado placed an {{unsourced}} tag atop this article. The tag was subsequently changed to {{Unreferenced|date=January 2007}} by SmackBot. However, the article has been referenced by User:Donarreiskoffer since than and therefore, I'm removing the tag due to its redundancy. --Poeticbent  talk  15:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Other calculations[edit]

The two sections added by unsigned 84.175.93.119 (talk) 13:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC) seem to be an original research, albeit interesting, yet unfortunately full of errors. There is no point Georgia reaches Caspian Sea, even less together with Russia and Azerbaijan. If one calculates the outer boundary of Europe on the Caucasus, it is WITHIN the Azerbaijan that Caucasus approaches Caspian See, and not on the border with Russia.[reply]

The second section contains an internal contradiction. If one excludes islands, one cannot take into account Crete. The south of Pelopones must be the point. The westernmost point in this case lies in Portugal, not in Gibraltar. Maybe the author of these words could correct these. NoychoH 19:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ukraine section[edit]

At the end of the Ukraine section, the article page refers to a talk page, which is a no-no according to Wikipedia rules... AnonMoos 16:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Frauenkirchen patent?[edit]

The Austrian town of Frauenkirchen, near the border to Hungary, holds a patent (Österreichisches Patentamt, Aktenzeichen AM 7738/2003) for being the geophysical centre of Europe (not of the EU).

Has anyone verified this? At the site of the Österreichisches Patentamt (http://www.patentamt.at/Publikationen/) I am unable to locate any patent with reference number 7738/2003 or 200307738.

As a European patent attorney I cannot imagine how to patent a location as such. Perhaps they meant registering the place as a geographical region of origin, like Champagne or Bavaria? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.163.164.67 (talk) 07:25, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

let's put everything clear[edit]

state clearly methodology and then the centre, because there are many centres and all of them are correct, so please state clearly (not like this messy article) ALL used methodologies and their centres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.3.147.212 (talk) 15:00, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Guiness book of records[edit]

There is a dubious statement in the article that Guiness book of records only recognizes the claim in Lithuania as the centre of Europe. Can anyone point out where this originates from? I have found a hundred Lithuanian pages repeating this claim in verbatim with no additional information, while the only English sources are copies from Wikipedia. I have also written to Guiness World Records and got an answer that they do not consider these kind of claims for records since they are not something that can be beaten. The only connection to GBR that I could find is that a statue in the park that is close to the "centre" of Europe is recognized by the book as the largest TV statue. Can anybody find a better explanation or should I remove this statement from the article?No longer a penguin (talk) 16:02, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Gadheim[edit]

I do not understand how Brexit may shift centre of EU as UK has no extreme points of EU.--Anatoliy (Talk) 18:36, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This too has confused me (well maybe not, I just think it’s wrong). It would be like if France left the EU, how on earth would the midpoint change? Oldoratorian (talk) 18:30, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's very easy to explain, if you understand what is a "geometrical centre of a figure", it is the point of gravity equilibrium of that figure, which of course depends in some way on the extreme points of the figure, but also (and in a much more important way) on the shape of the figure. Let take an example, if you had a cardboard figure of the shape of the EU, if you put it on the tip of a needle placed under the centre of the EU, the figure would remain stable, flat, horizontal, without bending to any side. If some part of the figure is removed, than automatically the centre-point shifts to another place, and the figure loses its equilibrium, bends, until the needle supporting it is moved to under the new centre of gravity. Obviously there is one such point of equilibrium before Brexit and another one of it after Brexit.

Nota Bene, the centre of gravity does not necessarily lie under a certain point of the landmass in question. E.g. the geographical centre of Norway in this sense lies somewhere in Sweden. ;-) noychoH (talk) 17:12, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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