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I stayed at the Marine Hotel in Llandudno & was intrigued to find that Queen Elizabth who used the Pen Name Carmen Sylva had been at the hotel for about two years in the 1890's ~ there is a letter in a frame @ the Hotel in which she thanks the people of Llandudno for all their kindness & help in her difficulies... how ever..... after reading several books on the King and Queen, plus research on the Web I can find no refernece to her ever being out of Romainia for a period of time.... why was she @ Llandudno.. it is certain she was there as there are many references to her in the Town... Sylva. and Carmen and Queen Elizabeth feature in so many places... is anyone able to enlighten me of this... from all I have read she was well liked in the Country and she had come to live in and there is no seemingly reason for any exile..... Crocus Rokersosski... E mail address if it easier for reply/info is christefercrocus@fsmail.net
check out the last section 'life and family'. also the Queen Elisabeth article. in short, she actively encouraged an engagement between Elena Văcărescu, her lady in waiting, and Crown Prince Ferdinand, although the romanian constitution specifically forbade the marriage of royal family members and romanians. she was exiled for two years. ilya 09:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
i see someone corrected the date of death from the 27th of september to the 10th of october. i must point out that both dates are correct because romania at the time was using the julian calendar, meaning it was 14 days behind the western world... the 27th of september is more correct because it's the romanian time and we are talking about someone who died in romania. if you want to point out the difference, you could use the general 27th of september/10th of october style...
Was Romania really using the Julian calendar? I've never heard this before. At any rate, I think that both dates ought to be given for any event after 1582 in a country that adopted the Gregorian calendar later. john k 21:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. It switched to Gregorian calendar only in 1919. bogdan 22:07, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
i'll edit to mention both dates ilya 08:55, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have read the article about John Hunyadi, where it is emphasized, that he was a Romanian. I suggest adding to this article, that Carol I was German. Just to follow the same pattern.Zmiklos 12:14, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
i thought the article made it pretty clear.... ilya 09:21, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
; following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in the Russo-Turkish War he was proclaimed King of Romania with the consent of both the Turkish Sultan and the major European powers on 26 March 1881.
I have a huge problem with this sentence. The 1881 act did not require (nor asked) for any consent - Romania was an independent country by then, and could pursue any choice of government desired. The act proclaiming independence, required no consent from the outside world (just countersignatures from the ministries, the heads of the two chambers of parliament and the head of the Supreme Court). Further, since the Ottoman Empire was defeated and all claims were declared null and void through the treaties of San Stefano and Berlin, the Turks could not de jure even give their accord!--Xanthar (talk) 02:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Aristiderazu (talk) 13:55, 1 March 2018 (UTC)== The Secret Treaty with Austro-Hungary in year 1883 ==[reply]
On 3 August [O.S. 21 July] 1914,at the first Crown Council held at Peles Castle in Sinaia, in the Music Room,facing all political figures of the time , with the aim to clarify Romania situation towards the Great War, where King Carol with Prince Ferdinand at his right side,in front of him, Carol presided the meeting, told them about the secret treaty with Austro-Hungary and sharing his opinion with the political figures of the council thus and asked for joining the Triple Alliance ,in short due to casus foederis of this secret treaty[7]. However, Primeminister Ion I. C. Brătianu and some other figures of state opposed .At the end of the council all voted for neutrality of Romania . King Carol died on 10 October [O.S. 27 September] 1914.
See 1st Chapter- First Crown Council- written in Istoria Razboiului Pentru Intregirea Romaniei 1916-1919 by Constantin Kiritescu See also second paragraph of the Treaty with the Triple Alliance made in 1883 and renewed evr 5 years.See treaty, pharagraf 2 which states quote from the treaty pharagraf 2
If Romania , without any fault, from her part , will be attacked ,Austro-Hungary has the duty to give in due time, help and assistance against the aggressor.If Austro-Hungary will be attacked,in the same circumstances in one of her parts in close distance,,limitrof,, with Romania, ,,casus foederis,, will be presented for the the latter one.
further...
During the First Crown Council of Sinaia , La Hovary risking conversation about the odds of victory during the Great War , affirms that -France today has another military preparation than in 1870 so thus the victory of Prussia is not so sure .
King Carol replies him in furry,.-This matter sir , cannot be even talked about for the one who knows even a little the real state of facts .Aristiderazu (talk) 06:28, 18 February 2018 (UTC)AristiderazuAristiderazu (talk) 13:55, 1 March 2018 (UTC)Aristiderazu
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-King Carol at the end of the Crown Council finally
At the end of the debate , held during the first Crown Council, King Carol affirms ..-I see thus , representative figures of the country have asked for neutrality.I subject to your will gentelmen.I am afraid though, the prestige of the country will get out diminished and that you have taken a decision of which Romania will feel sorry about, in the future.
Aristiderazu (talk) 06:28, 18 February 2018 (UTC)Aristiderazu[reply]
casus foederis -case for alliance in diplomatic terms,it describes a situation in which the terms of an alliance come into play, such as one nation being attacked by another. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aristiderazu (talk • contribs)2003:CF:BBCE:24D:127:29F9:F7F2:A658 (talk) 13:52, 1 March 2018 (UTC)Aristiderazu
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The new king, Ferdinand (under the influence of his wife, Marie of Edinburgh, a British princess), was more willing to listen to public opinion.
Well, it is a long way from the first Crown Council held by King Carol I , to the phrase above.This phrase should be , at least to King Ferdinand article.Further more ,what has Queen Marie to do with King Ferdinand decision.And last but not least is a contradiction in the article.One time it yelds that the Old Kingdom of Romania was led in reality by the political figures of the time such as I I C Bratiano, then this.Hm?2003:CF:BBCE:24D:127:29F9:F7F2:A658 (talk) 10:26, 1 March 2018 (UTC)AristiderazuAristiderazu (talk) 10:30, 1 March 2018 (UTC)Aristiderazu
The public opinion was in reality in 1914 , representd by the entire pallet of politicians mostly ,starting with I I C Bratianu,which have said in other words possibly that there will not be sponsored next to the Triple Alliance but to Entente a war.Clearly ,King Carol I cannot be made responsible, connected in any way whatsoever with participating or starting a war which became in the mean time First Mondial one.Aristiderazu (talk) 14:04, 1 March 2018 (UTC)Aristiderazu[reply]
As he came in Bucharest, King Carol was given the key of the city and led by General Ghica through the city on the way to the place where Carol would live.Here is a funny story .King Carol asked.-Where iss the Palace ? about three times.Finally, ashamed General Ghica told him there is no palace or castle and etc.Aristiderazu (talk) 10:56, 2 March 2018 (UTC)Aristiderazu Please who knows the story better may intervine.Thank you.Aristiderazu (talk) 10:56, 2 March 2018 (UTC)Aristiderazu[reply]
Achievements - Inner Development of the Old Kingdom Of Romania
Amongst the many good things accomplished under his reign , must be reminded of only a few of these architectural and technical achivments of the time.
Cantacuzino Palace, hosting now [[George Enescu Museum
Museum of Art Collections]]
Știrbey Palace
Romanian Athenaeum
National Museum of Art of Romania
The library of the University of Bucharest
Kretzulescu Church
Piața Revoluției (Revolution Square), including the Memorial of Rebirth
Palatul Telefoanelor
Odeon Theatre
Casa Capșa
Cercul Militar Naţional
Pasajul Macca-Vilacrosse
Bucharest Financial Plaza
National Museum of History of Romania, with the Statue of Trajan and the She-wolf on its steps
CEC Palace-Casa de Economii și Consemnațiuni (CEC)
Parcul Bonaparte -Bonaparte Park
Just some of the things which came in mind , buidt during Carol I ruleAristiderazu (talk) 13:33, 2 March 2018 (UTC)Aristiderazu[reply]
There are in Romanian section of this article ,Carol I, many lies and hideous images of King Carol the like of which i have never seen eample..Portret al lui Carol I al României, de George P. A. Healy, 1873.Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:CF:BBCE:2A8:D27:5F26:55A9:C327 (talk) 14:18, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
^Kiritescu Constantin- Istoria Razboiul Pentru Intregirea Romaniei 1916-1919 ,1921 first edition,1925 second edition
As much as it is brave of you to stand up and talk about this, I honestly don't know what you are talking about. Which passages are 'lies' in the ro.wiki article? Do you see anything specific? In that case, I encourage you to discuss it in that version's Talk page, or even to edit things yourself, provided you have multiple sources for fixing the 'lies'. As for the 'hideous images', this is the one you cited: , which seems absolutely fine to me, even moreso as it was made by a recognized painter. The other ones in the article are all either portraits of him, family photos, or a picture of a crowd gathered at his burial. Again, please clarify as I have no idea what you want us to do with this information. Double Plus Ungood (talk) 18:07, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I expanded the article, which was rather short for such an important historical figure and was missing much information regarding his reign and legacy. For example, the War of Independence was the historical event most associated with Carol's reign and it only consisted of two lines. Also, the article only had two references outside of the Honours section and I tried to properly cite both the new text and the claims that were already in the article.
As this was a pretty big change to the article and it's obvious that the article can be be made better, I'm looking forward to receiving feedback on how to further improve it.
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