Talk:Shot clock

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2014-15 NBA Rule Change[edit]

Starting in the 2014-15 season[1], the shot clock no longer resets to 5 seconds on a jump ball induced by the defense. 71.72.12.244 (talk) 04:40, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ https://turnernbahangtime.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/2014-15-rules-changes.pdf (linked from the NBA.com officiating page)

Untitled[edit]

Please, some one with a greater knowledge of basketball expand on this article and link it to basketball and NBA. Its impact on the game is tremendous; without it, the NBA might not exist. Oh, as far as the "other sports" line, I may have made that up. Do other sports use a shot clock? --Feitclub 17:59, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

I removed the line about shot clock criticism due to intentional fouling. This statement is inaccurate because the shot clock resets on team fouls in the college game and I believe is now reset to 14 or 15 seconds (if the shot clock was down to fewer than 14-15 seconds) in the NBA.

The NBA resets the shot clock to 14 seconds after fouls if less than 14 is showing and the foul does not result in a turnover or free throw.

Other sports that use a shot clock include water polo and lacrosse (though I'm not sure if it universally used in the latter).

In the footnote at the bottom of the page, "averaged an average" should be changed to "scored an average" or something similar to get rid of the redundancy.--71.132.2.148 07:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Rules Football shot clock?[edit]

The introduction says that a shot clock is used in "professional Australian rules football." I occasionally watch AFL matches on TV, and have never seen a shot clock used. I also don't believe there is a professional AFL; AFAIK, all players are semiprofessional, with 9-to-5 jobs during the week. Does anyone have more information about this? 66.234.218.146 (talk) 20:05, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There absolute is an AFL "shot clock", but it's only used on set shots. It is not a shot clock in the traditional sense though, and is closer to penalties for stalling in association football. -- Alyas Grey : talk 00:43, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Snooker?[edit]

Has anyone got a reference for snooker having a shot clock? I've not seen one and there's no length of time suggested in the table at the bottom of the article. Rikkiprince (talk) 17:43, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NFHS[edit]

I've noticed that the article has a chart summing up the lengths of the shot clock. The chart does reference the NFHS as having a 30 second shot clock in some states. I'm about to edit it so NFHS is replaced with United States high school.

I want to make the reason for this edit known. The NFHS rules, as of this time, does not use a shot clock. States that do utilize the shot clock are ineligible to serve on the national rules committee. So, to say that the NFHS rule is 30 seconds is inaccurate. However, some states do use that rule, and it's important to note that. So I do think that this labeling is a good compromise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.196.181.10 (talk) 00:55, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Jump ball[edit]

I put the material at the bottom of 3.1 14-second clock into a bulleted list and reworded things, but the two items baffle me. Each has a qualification that strikes me as surplus:

  • "If the offense retains possession"—If the defense secures possession, there would be no need to top-up anything, because the shot clock would be reset.
  • "If the defense causes the jump ball"—The defense causes all jump balls, by tying up a ball that the offense possessed.

Am I missing something simple? Can this language be further simplified? Spike-from-NH (talk) 00:51, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

PS--Found the 2018-19 NBA rules and rewrote this section. There are cases of the shot clock being set to 14, and cases where it is topped up to 14. I was unable to find a rule requiring it to be topped up to 5.0 as described. Section 3.1 still makes an assertion about Euroleague that I don't know is still true as now written, and makes no assertion about WNBA, FIBA, and NCAA, which someone knowledgeable could add. Spike-from-NH (talk) 22:59, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Split[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
There was an agreement that the inclusion of rules from sports other than basketball in this article is undesirable, but no consensus that a split as originally opposed would be the best way to deal with it. Rather, there is a preference for other rules of other sports to be dealt with individually by people with sufficient expertise to do so. Lowercaserho (talk) 12:51, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to propose that this article be WP:SPLIT into two separate articles, with one of them covering exclusively the shot clock in basketball, and the other covering the concept of the shot clock as a general concept that is used across multiple different sports. The article as it currently stands is mostly about basketball, but has scattered information on other sports in multiple sections (the lead, "Shot clock length in other sports" and "Time line"). Having a separate article would put this information together, and would also allow for more natural expansion of coverage of shot clocks in other sports (including those not even mentioned in the current article such as tennis[1] and rugby league[2]).

I am bringing this up for discusion rather than just WP:BOLDly doing it myself for two reasons. First I am unsure what would be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I suspect probably the basketball usage, but could see the argument either way. Second, if the basketball usage is the primary topic, then I am not sure what would be the best article title for the split article. Shot clock (sport) is the best I've come up with, but I'm not entirely satisfied with that. Thoughts? Lowercaserho (talk) 09:41, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The final section on the time line is clearly about something related but completely different; that could easily be split off and most of the problem would go away. Am less enthused to create an article "Shot clock (basketball)" and an article "Shot clock" that mostly disambiguates to other pages that hold the specifics. There shouldn't be an article like "Shot clock (sports that aren't basketball)". There has been a recent trend to fluff up the table at "Shot clock length in other sports", but this isn't the right page to hold that information; better to have an alphabetized subsection under "See also" to pages that present the information in context. Spike-from-NH (talk) 11:18, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have indeed moved the final section to a new article Time line (basketball). Have updated this article, the disambiguation page, and the basketball template. The new article could benefit from more references. The biggest remaining problem, then, is the use of this page to hold substantive rules from other sports. Spike-from-NH (talk) 12:31, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Looking through the other sports listed (and the two that I mentioned originally as not being included), I would split them as follows.
There are also a bunch of pages that link here that really shouldn't if this page is to be exclusively about the shot clock in basketball. Some of them could probably be linked elsewhere (eg, a glossary entry), and some possibly should just be unlinked entirely. Lowercaserho (talk) 13:13, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Again, I think this page should not contain actual rules (actual shot-clock values) for any other sport; it might contain See Also to pages on other sports that have shot clocks, especially See Also to the pages' subsections that are about their shot clocks. I don't know much about the sports you list above and am not the one to move information from this page to the page about those sports, nor to delete substance altogether. A link to a basketball page from a page on another sport is clearly inappropriate. Spike-from-NH (talk) 13:54, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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