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Posting here regarding many recent edits. Quarkny this article is a featured article. That means it's been through extensive review by quite a few Wikipedians, and it means that changes need consensus. See also WP:FAOWN which gives primary authors latidute in terms of reverting to stable versions. Ceoil and I are the primary authors (the third is dead) and I see that your changes have been reverted. In fact I would have reverted had I gotten to it first. See the following diffs for samples only of reverts: here because of sourcing issues, again because of sourcing issues, here for using for sourcing issues, again and again.
Featured articles require high quality secondary scholarly sources. In the case of Pound's biography most of the sources are book sources. Wikipedia is never acceptable as a source. Nor are most other web sources for an article of this caliber. Furthermore, material is being inserted between the citations, thus separating the text from the cited sources. We can't do that.
The most recent edit cites Blast! (which is a primary source). The Kenner source is okay, but it's already included in the bibliography so only needs a page number here, not a template in text (citation templates aren't used in this article). Also it took years to get the article to reasonable size and to incorporate Wikipedia:summary style. The most recent change would be better in the Blast! article than here. Please bring questions to the talk page to discuss changes and additions.
In the meantime I want to rollback to a clean version (maybe even a year or so back) and then have a restart, but will wait till the weekend and for input. Victoria (tk) 00:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for getting in touch with me. I started working on the Blast section of the article because of the interpretation offered in the next-to-last sentence. I don't recall the exact wording, but it was something like: "Pound extended Imagisme to art and called it Vorticism." The embedded quotation from Blast doesn't support that statement and the statement itself is glib and vague ("extended"?). Not at all helpful to a Wiki reader seeking a rudimentary understanding. I was also bothered by the fact that the advertisement Pound had quoted was ignored. Cubism and Futurism weren't even linked to Wiki articles. Maybe Cubism can be overlooked, but Futurism no. And if there's no mention that Pound contributed poems to Blast, why is this section here at all? I understand your concern for "reasonable size," but only so much can be omitted without jeopardy. I worked hard to get to my final version. I hope you don't delete it. It may be a little longer, but I think it's far clearer and more informative than the original. Quarkny (talk) 01:06, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reply and for the explanation. The quotation from the cited source, David Moody's biography Ezra Pound Poet - it's not from Blast. As for linking, we don't link inside of a quotation - that's why not linked in this instance. Featured articles have to adhere to all the nitpicks in our manuel of style. Let me mull this over. Probably the section can reworded to pull out Cubism and Futurism from the quotation and link them with wikilinks and then the quotation can possibly be paraphrased or attributed so as to avoid confusion. How does that sound? With the caveat that I won't be able to get to it immediately. Victoria (tk) 01:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
P.s - sorry I replied while looking at an old version of the article. The version of this article that went through review is looks like this. I think it's more clear. That said, this will take some time to check the various versions against the sources and then to move in an acceptable version. Victoria (tk) 01:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What you suggest seems fine to me. I was uncomfortable with so much quotation, but thought it preferable to the lack of clarity.
I've been looking at the second paragraph of the Ulysses article:
Ulysses chronicles the appointments and encounters of the itinerant Leopold Bloom in Dublin in the course of an ordinary day, 16 June 1904. Ulysses is the Latinised name of Odysseus, the hero of Homer's epic poem the Odyssey, and the novel establishes a series of parallels between the poem and the novel, with structural correspondences between the characters and experiences of Bloom and Odysseus, Molly Bloom and Penelope, and Stephen Dedalus and Telemachus, in addition to events and themes of the early 20th-century context of modernism, Dublin, and Ireland's relationship to Britain. The novel is highly allusive and written in a variety of radically changing styles.
The second part of the last sentence is my doing, and no one seems to mind. I've started to work on the too-long sentence preceding it ("reasonable size"?)
I know: the last part of the sentence is missing. It's so close to sheer gibberish that I don't think it can be saved. Do you think it's really necessary? If so, I'll try to compose a replacement that contains the same phrases: modernism, as so on.
Something like this as the second paragraph of the Ulysses article?
Ulysses is the Latinised name of Odysseus, the hero of Homer's epic poem the Odyssey, and the novel establishes a series of parallels between Bloom and Odysseus, Molly Bloom and Penelope, and Stephen Dedalus and Telemachus. It situates historic events, modernization, British rule, Irish nationalism, and the Catholic Church within the setting of early 20th century Dublin. The novel is highly allusive and written in a variety of radically changing styles. Quarkny (talk) 18:32, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I've been busy in real life. My books are temporarily unavailable and it'll take a few days to retrieve them, but once I start digging into the this article I might find more that needs to be done, so I want to have them at hand. Also would like to give time for others to chime in here. In other words give me a few days. Re Ulysses - not as familiar and don't really have Joyce sources. It would better to post to the Ulysses page and see what others think. Victoria (tk) 02:44, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
level-4 vital article is rated FA-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
