User talk:Quercusrobur/Archive1

Hello there, welcome to the 'pedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you need any questions answered about the project then check out Wikipedia:Help or add a question to the Village pump. Question: Are you Graham Burnet or do you have permission from this person to be placing their text under terms of the GNU FDL? Either way, copyright info must go in the edit summary of articels on not on the page itself. Cheers! --maveric149

Yup - vandals have tried many times to junk Wikipedia but there are about 200 of us and usually only one or two of them. We've won every battle so far. I happen to be one of the 40 or so administrators around here who watch for vandalism/copyright violations along with performing site maintenance. Please experiment away - but for pure experimentation it might be best to play around in wikipedia:sandbox. You can do pretty much anything in there without having to bother with editorial comments from other users (we all are pretty serious about creating a solid encyclopedia here). Power to the wiki!. --mav

Cool trick: Type ~~~ or ~~~~ and hit save.

The text in Apple propagation has been edited and wikified so we should stick with that content. What do you think would be the best title for the article? "Propagating apples and other fruit trees" sounds like the name of a how-to and not an encyclopedia article (we also don't like plurals around here: see wikipedia:naming conventions). How about Fruit tree propagation? (you can answer here -- talk page back and forth isn't always the best). --mav

Fine by me Quercusrobur

PS Can I add graphics? (there are some diagrams that go with the original text- I've also got an article on fruit tree pruning which is very diagram heavy)

Hi, Quercusrobur, welcome on board!

Yes, you can add graphics too (seeWikipedia:Copyrights - Wiki rules apply to these too - and read also Wikipedia:Image use policy and related articles). You can use the link "Upload" (somewhere in the page, as before).

BTW, thank you for your contributions :-) Gianfranco

Side note: Our copyright licence, the GNU FDL, only appies to text -- so since we are not for profit and are providing an educational use, you can pretty much upload images and use them in articles without fear of violating copyrights (see fair use guidelines). --mav

How are you making those box characters? Can you explain how to avoid making box characters? -phma

Okay, here's a row of box characters:
€?‚ƒ„…†‡^‰S‹Œ?Z??‘’“”•-—~™s›œ?z?
They're actually different characters, but they all look alike because they're invalid and the font substitutes its .notdef character for them. In my default font (Verdana) they look like big square boxes; in Lucida Console (what I use in the editbox) they look like wickets; in Century Gothic (my default Kmail font) they look like the upper right corner of a square; and in Clearlyu they're invisible (though other notdefs look like a tilted square with a question mark inside).

There is no way to type box characters, unless you edit your keyboard map. To get that row of boxes, I had to write a program to emit them. Since they can't be typed, how are you entering them? -phma

Check the history of fruit tree propagation. I'm using Konqueror. Let me see if this makes a .notdef in Clearlyu:  No it doesn't; it looks like a hyphen. Odd. -phma

I know you're new and all, but could you take some time to wikify your entries? --mav 14:56 Aug 31, 2002 (PDT)

You are in luck! You don't need to know any HTML to wikify things around here -- just place brackets around things you think might be relevant article titles (per our wikipedia:naming conventions -- this does have to be done manually though). And no, you have not been wrist slapped -- I just see much potential in your contributions and want to get you up to speed as quickly as possible. Yours in the wiki! --mav 16:37 Aug 31, 2002 (PDT)

Re: Hendrix and Dylan--Dylan himself said once that he was confused about why Hendrix covered only "All Along the Watchtower," since so many of his songs seemed to be Hendrix's also (e.g. the sentiments are the same). I guess maybe that was before "the Hendrix vaults" got opened after the copyright situation was resolved, or ... I don't know. Too much drugs for Dylan or something? I'm not a fan of either, though they're both good musicians. --KQ 14:57 Aug 31, 2002 (PDT)

Hello, the text you've put up at Local Exchange Trading Systems is a direct paste of the first two paragraphs at http://pages.unisonfree.net/gburnett/page2.html . Unless you have the author's permission to release that text under the GNU FDL, putting the text in constitutes a copyright violation. Do you have the author's permission? --KQ 22:46 Aug 31, 2002 (PDT)

Where are you getting these articles? The presence of box characters indicates that you are pasting material from Microsoft Word files. -phma

hi phma The article which had the boxes (I still can't see them) was pasted from an html document that I did indeed create using MS Word... Maybe it's a formating thing or something? quercus robur

Look at the html file with a hex editor and look for any character in the range 80-9f. Also save it as plain text and look for those characters. Those are the boxes. They are control characters (see http://www.unicode.org/charts/ Latin-1 supplement for their names), so they should and do show up as notdefs when one attempts to display them; but Microsoft, ignoring standards as usual, assigned printing characters to them and caused problems for everyone else who tries to read their files.

For the correct html names of these characters, look at http://www.idocs.com/. They display as question marks in Konqueror when it's set to auto, but at least they are standard. In UTF-8, Konqueror shows things like ε correctly. -phma

Hi phma

I'm afraid you've lost me... I'm afraid I'm not that tech literate- finding out alot of stuff on here by trial & error & experimentation, I just thought it would be a nice idea to share some of my essays on horticulture & stuff but don't know much about formating, hex editors & stuff... But I'll try to paste info from the original docs rather than my web-pages in future which will hopefully minimise the sort of problem you describe??

Cheers quercus robur

In my experience, the simplest way to avoid that problem is to open the document in the program you originally wrote it in and choose "save as" and then "text." MS Word and other programs will typically give a warning because you will lose formatting (italics, bold, etc.) but that's what you want--it also converts nonstandarad characters to the simplest equivalent. (that is , " becomes simply " and so forth.) Cheers, --KQ

Hello, I'm glad you wrote the material. BTW, if you put comments & questions on my talk page rather than my user page, I'll notice it sooner. (Lee's software puts an asterisk by "talk" at the top right of the screen when you have a new comment). Thanks, --KQ

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Would you be ever so kind to "review" pedology ? thanks

You're right. I didn't think of that obvious link ! thanks.

Some time ago, I stumbled on the Green revolution article. I found one of the sentences very unclear. I am not sure whether it's just my feeling (i.e., poor understanding), or not (i.e., degree of imprecision leading to stating something wrong). I left a note on the talk page about it. Maybe, you would feel like checking and fixing it up if you think it necessary ? Thank you.

Why did you redirect recuperated to situationist? It doesn't really give any indication of what the word means in that context. -- Sam Francis

Hi Sam- I thought the definition of recuperation that I've included on the situ page was quite appropriate to what sometimes happens to anarchist art. I'm not that attached to it the idea, tho, you can change it if you like, .. Cheers graham :-)

Howdy. Seems to be running more smoothly now? --Brion 23:14 Oct 2, 2002 (UTC)

I sometimes get errors while accessing certain pages too. Usually this is fixed by me reloading the page. --mav

Hi mav & brion- I was still having probelms until I finally went into my windows XP documents and settings folder and manually deleted all of internet explorer tempoary files stashed there...

Bloody windows....

Thanks for your advice.... quercus robur

wiki sub-project on Trees of Britain

I am glad to hear about that project of yours. Imho, there are not enough people working on living being issues here, so that makes me happy that you do.
No Quercus trees in Britain ?

ant

Hallo. quick note: I spotted on Talk:Coppicing that the pollarding article was "lost" -- I've restored it from the last version pre-redirect. -- Tarquin 09:51 Oct 5, 2002 (UTC)

Hi, don't bother with delays with me. I'm trying to learn patience, along other things :-)
Seriously, I am very interested by your project, for I believe it could make a very interesting resource. This kind of compiled knowledge about our world is not easy to find and could be very valuable. In any case, I look forward reading the articles. I don't know alot about trees alas. General biological knowledge mostly. I have a friend doing something rather equivalent to this project on common plants in real life but she is not a computer lover at all and prefer running outside and talking to knowledgeable elders to typing. Maybe, your articles will help decide her one day.

anthère

"nuetral" is a misspelling, and "phosphorous" either means "containing phosphorus" or refers to its lower valence. Can you redo the table? -phma

Not easily. The table was scanned from a print out I did some time back- I don't think I have the original file any more.

Doesnt System of a Down make a reference to Chumbawumba somewhere?Lir 09:43 Nov 18, 2002 (UTC)

No idea Lir, 'fraid I know very little about system of a down, apart from that a young woman at my workplace likes them... I guess Chumba influenced alot of people, cheers quercus robur

Isis- thanks for reverting the Stonehenge page after I acidentally deleted the page content- I didn't realise I'd done this til I saw it on my watched pages list- it's happened a couple of times when wiki is running very slowly, usually when I press refresh more than once after editing a page, but on this occasion I wasn't aware that I'd done this... quercus robur 17:42 Nov 23, 2002 (UTC)

It's happened to me so many times, I realized immediately what had happened and was happy to be able to help. I understand you're proud of the picture, but I was thinking it could stand being cropped a tad and reduced somewhat in size to fit within (you should pardon the expression) the image guidelines. Would you consider enhancing it that way? (And maybe lightening it up a bit, because my monitor renders everything too dark?) -- isis 17:58 Nov 23, 2002 (UTC)

Altered stonehenge image as requested- unfortunately I can't lighten it alot more though as the sun was directly behind the stones when I took the pic and cast everything else into shadow, cheers quercus robur

Thanks, I'm not sure why, but I like it better this way. -- isis 18:42 Nov 23, 2002 (UTC)

Hi - yep, I'd noticed the list had sprung up at free improvisation. I've been meaning to get stuck into articles on some of these people for a while, but something else usually gets my attention. I'll get round to them eventually if nobody else does, I'm sure. By the way, thanks for the improvements to Derek Bailey - that article is much better now. And nice photos of Derek, Lol Coxhill et al - did you take them yourself? --Camembert

(presumably he deliberately sent the tape to Go Disks rather than by luck :-))

Oh no, it's a much better story than that... I'll add it to the article in the morning if no-one beats me to it. --rbrwr

"Whatever" from More to Burn could indeed be getting airplay, but only on Virgin Radio, as far as I'm aware. And I don't know if they've played it anywhere outside the midlands. It might be some other song, there are plenty called Whatever... I'll get the tracks put up somewhere else too, I think, where it doesn't require registration :) -- Sam

re deep ecology The info wasn't ment to be more than just enough to keep the thread :darwin: social darwinism: peter kerpotkin: social ecology, deep ecology entact. Thanks for the edit. Hopefully people will eventually turn it into a really good article. (was going to eventually get to it myself - see talk:deep ecology) Karl karl

re bookchin - use to work with Kick It Over magazine - the worst time I ever had was editing his article. really loved to listen to him tho.

I will start photographing apple varieties, if you'd like, but I probably have access to only 6 or 7 varieties. --KQ

Hi again - I just started John Stevens, but it's a bit of a hodge podge, and I'm not exactly thrilled to bits with it. I'll probably return to it one day, but in the meantime you might want to give it a look, and see if you can improve it any. Cheers --Camembert

Hi. Suggestion for your todo list: root vegetable. -- Tarquin 20:55 Dec 29, 2002 (UTC)

Is makaton a natural language or is it one that was made up by a person or group of persons? --Qaz

Could use some help at the anarchism page... :) -- Sam

There's no edit war (yet!), I'm just concerned about the way the page is going... I've put a bit on the talk page (and archived the rest) -- hopefully that'll clarify; let's take any talk to there. -- Sam 21:43 Jan 19, 2003 (UTC)

I just bought the first two 'qatsi's at barnesandnoble.com for cheap. ... Have you seen the third one yet? I'm in a mid-sized town, not much chance of it here. Best, Koyaanis Qatsi

Didn't mean to revert your changes at 1976 in music. I changed a bunch of capitalization and couldn't figure out what had been changed. Tokerboy

I reverted your image Cabbagepests.png by mistake, but put it back to how it was. Sorry for the trouble. synthetik

I don't think this guy is going to give-up anytime soon so I'm just waiting for several minutes inbetween reverts. Since I'm an Admin I can do several reverts a second. So please don't burn yourself out on this person -- I'll stay-up all night if needed. :-) --mav

OK mav quercus robur 11:33 Feb 8, 2003 (UTC)

"And I'm going to keep wearing my Sex Pistols teeshirt and dying my hair pink and drinking cider on the flower beds in the town centre because I'm expressing myself and it annoys my mum and dad and my teachers and my boss and the cops and... oh dear, I've suddenly realised I'm 42 years old :-) ... quercus robur 01:28 Feb 9, 2003 (UTC)"

Haahahahahaa!! brilliant. Mintguy

You're as tall as Gandalf! wow. ... I tried taking some pix of apples; they were horrible. I'll try again sometime, when I have time. Koyaanis Qatsi, more of a hobbitish size.

I need support in trying to keep football at football. They want to move it to soccer, please see talk:list of footballers. Mintguy 10:10 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)

Please stop being serious, and get immediately back to the Heaven 17 talk page for the important job of adding random lyrics. You know it makes sense. (Buy this!) :) Nevilley 09:11 Mar 12, 2003 (UTC)~

Hi Quercus. What's the traditional method of making hedges called (where they half-cut branches and bend them over), and do we have an article on it? -- Tarquin 19:08 Mar 14, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Quercus. Since you always write such nice and detailed pages, what do you think should an encyclopedic article be counted on ? Do you think it is ok an encyclopedic article should be considered as such as soon as there is one character in the article, or would it would more correct for you that it includes more words. If so, would you consider adding your vote to m:Article count reform. Currently, the option winning is 0. That means as soon as someone write gimme me a beer in the page, that is an article...Hope all your garden and plants are growing well...a thought...I wrote this under beer influence a while ago m:Listening to our garden what do you think ? User:anthere (beers and bears...)

hello, I have picked an exactly 100 octet article on the french wiki for comparison : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguay
Below this size is below 100 bytes. What do you think ? anthere

hello again, quercus, (I remove my previous comment, my mistake for not understanding :-))
Thanks the comment over there on my garden :-) Before I read your articles, I didnot know the word permaculture. You taught me that, if only. ant

yes your article is exactly what I meant.

Please insert your additions to the list at British sitcom chronologically as best you can. I'd have done it myself, but I'm not familiar with most of the ones you added. Mkweise 18:57 Mar 21, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Graham, thanks for the suggestion on obscure Mesozoic critters. I'll certainly have a look at the page. I think it might also be better to go for the family level. Pinheirodontidae is an obscure enough term, which contains half-a-dozen or so even more obscure words. If they were on the same page, it'd probably give the thing a bit more context. This is a bit of a trial and error phase. If I can get the form right with these entries, (they're the more basal multituberculates Multituberculata by the way), then it should leave me better equipped to do something about the complete lack of info on our earliest, furry ancestors. I hope the earliest 'placental' mammal, Eomaia, works. Someone kindly added a link.

Hi Graham, the difficulty with your suggestion: ("Ecprepaulax was an early mammal that lived during the Cretaceous period" -wow, I'm wickifying things!), is its lack of precision. I could write that about two hundred times, change the name, and nobody would be any the wiser. Besides which, compared to the Triassic, it was a late mammal. The difficulty with my present version is its lack of accessibility and comprehensibility, and nobody's any the wiser. I'm trying to think of the best way to proceed, and presently working on an overview of a different group. I suspect it'd be better to give a brief explanation of what a pinheirodontid was, (that's the family), and then to list the various genera on the one entry. I wouldn't like to say what colour it was. Many of these things are solely known from teeth! Some of the more complete fossil mammals do deserve the own pages though, seeing as they're of exquisitie beauty and rareness.

I have to warn that the West African Business Deals page is reportedly despicably funny. It has many unexpectable features, and I mean unexpectable rather than unexpected. George Bush wrote to me too. He's Foff number 1,455 and made his offer on the 5th of Feb. I thought he deserved a Noteworthy Note.

Hi Graham, adding that table to Allodontidae was quite alarming. When I put in the reference, it reacted like a triffid and grew in a most alarming fashion. I might try adding tables for the genera later, but I think I need a cup of tea and some time to recover first. Besides which, Reverend Jacob Ovia wants to send me twenty million dollars. There was a ghastly car crash in Lagos.

Hi Graham, Me again and still thinking about Mesozoic mammals. By the way, many thanks for your advice up till now, (and beyond). It's much appreciated.
I don't mind giving each genus its own page, and concentrating Paulchoffatiidae onto one page appears not to have been a good idea. Do the number of pages on obscure topics matter? That's why I was trying to impose some limit, albeit perhaps unnecessarily.
To give some idea of the potential scale, there are about a dozen members of Paulchoffatiidae. This is but a part of Multituberculata, (circa 80+ genera).
If or when I can get that into a reasonable form, I'd eventually like to do Mesozoic Eucynodontia, (= Mesozoic mammals plus nearly-mammals). That probably encompasses about 300 - 350 obscure genera, (though a few are quite exciting). I'll happily go ahead and try it. But I wouldn't want to do that, if it were considered somehow unnecessarily disruptive or unwelcome.

Hello 'Q' thanks for alphabetizing the famous suicides page, I had just suggested that that be done on the talk page G-Man

Maybe no known cases of rabies, but if Billy Idol bit me, I'd go get some shots. Tuf-Kat

Did you move Nevermind the Bollocks... to its current location, with capital thes and no punctuation? If so, are you sure that's right? Ordinarily, the isn't capitalized and I though there was a semicolon or comma or something between bollocks and here's. Tuf-Kat

Hi, what 199.235.202.50 did at The Apple Orchard was not a newbie experiment. Rather, they pointed out that the play is really called The Cherry Orchard. I'm going to correct that at Western canon. --KF 15:13 May 5, 2003 (UTC)

Apple Propagation Image

Your line drawings of apple propagation are cool. Do you mind if I crop off the instructional caption and type it up? --Menchi 19:11 May 8, 2003 (UTC)

Hi, Quercusrobur, how would you feel about doing an article about the (fairly) new policy in woodland management of leaving dead trees standing (or lying where they have fallen) to encourage useful insects used against harmful invaders? Where I walk (in the Sutton and Reigate area} this is definitely being encouraged, and a good idea, too. I know, you don't like being called an expert (as per para above) but am sure you'll know all about this. Hope you don/t mind me asking. --Dieter Simon 20:31 Apr 23, 2003 (UTC)

Southend + Dury (reword + link) - good catch! thanks. Nevilley 00:45 17 May 2003 (UTC)

Re Chumbawumba - it looks like Brion has worked his magic and restored the smaller version. --Camembert

There's some dispute about the value of the discography at Conflict (band). Since you've contributed most of the stuff there, I was wondering if you had also checked the discography. If so, probably best mention it on the talk page or something, so people know not to remove it... -- Oliver P. 00:03 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Hi Oliver, I've left the Michael version of the Conflict discography deleted and rebuilt it from scratch, AFAIK it's accurate, although I think incomplete- my knowledge of Conflict isn't as extensive as that of Crass I'm afraid :-) quercus robur 17:53 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Well done! Yes, I gather that's generally the best thing to do with Michael's material, as it is often inaccurate. I thought I'd better ask if you'd checked it, as there appeared to be a bit of confusion about how much of the article was worth saving. As for the bands, to be honest, I'd never heard of either of them before. :) -- Oliver P. 00:24 3 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Hi Quercus

In moving the page by hand, you loose the history of the Organic gardening, which is not good. Why not asking a sysop to delete Organic gardening, then pick up back the before-last version of List of organic gardening topics (before you set the redirect), then when organic gardening page is deleted, move the list to organic gardening. This way, history won't be lost.

Besides, I think it would be interesting to have separatly a list page and an article page. I would like your input on that, because I intend to do a list of organic topic (not specifically reduced to gardening) anyway one of these days. Note there is already a organic farming page. Please answer User:anthere

Nod. this is good that way I think. There is far less difference between organic farming and organic gardening, than there is between gardening and farming. that makes good sense to set them together. I must find time to progress with my List of sustainable agriculture topics according to this new list. Cheers ant

Congratulations, you have just been made a sysop! You have volunteered for boring housekeeping activities which normal users sadly cannot participate in. Sysops basically can't do anything: They cannot delete pages arbitarily (only obvious junk like "jklasdfl,öasdf JOSH IS GAY"), they cannot protect pages in an edit war they are involved in, they cannot ban signed in users. What they can do is delete junk as it appears, ban anonymous vandals, remove pages that have been listed on Votes for deletion for more than a week, protect pages when asked to, and help keep the few protected pages there are, among them the precious Main Page, up to date.

Note that almost everything you can do can be undone, so don't be too worried about making mistakes. You will find more information at Wikipedia:Administrators, please take a look before experimenting with your new powers. Drop me a message if there are any questions or if you want to stop being a sysop (could it be?). Have fun! --Eloquence 20:10 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Tricky one, Canterbury Scene. Funnily enough, I was listening to Soft Machine's first album earlier today. I'll try and add a little bit, but I know somebody who probably knows much more about this sort of thing than me - I'll see if I can drag them in to have a look at it before I try to do any more. Your talk of cold lager makes me jealous, by the way :) --Camembert

Wow, you've heard of Fruupp too? I'm amazed, I thought my Dad made them up! -- Jim Regan 20:55, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I'll have to get the first Carcass album, then there'll be two of us (sick puppies that we undoubtedly are). -- Jim Regan 21:34, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)