User talk:Mark J

german monarch family tree

wow... that is cool —Preceding unsigned comment added by Decora (talk • contribs) 18:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Came here to say the same. Great work! Ben ^T/_C 12:07, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Rowley's Hill

This article ends with some sort of cliffhanger: Although of only moderate height (50m/164ft), it has a high prominence because it — Mind adding the reason for its prominence? Rl 20:07, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

COTW Project

You voted for High Middle Ages, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article.

Edit summary

Hello. Please remember to always provide an edit summary. Thanks and happy edits. Alphax ^τεχ 3 July 2005 08:50 (UTC)

Stybarrow Dodd image

Hi there! Just a word about images; the one of Stybarrow Dodd you uploaded seems likely to be copyrighted - after all it has the web address for www.go4awalk.com on it. Unless you have got proof they allow us to use it we'll have to remove it I'm afraid.

In future when you upload images, make sure you use an Image tag. Thanks, and cheers for the various hill pages; good work pal! Grinner 10:23, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Hi there again! Unfortunately it is not that simple - a picture is copyrighted, and you can't use it for anything without that copyright holder's permission. You need to search around the webiste you get an image from and see what they say. For example, I have used picture from Ann Bowker's website quite a lot. If you hunt around you'll find that she says: "you are welcome to copy and use these pictures but please credit the photographer - Ann Bowker - or better still include a link to my homepage mad about mountains". So I use the image tag {{Attribution}}:

If you look at go4awalk.com they say:

3.3 You are permitted to print and download extracts from this site only on the following bases: 
a. use of documents and related graphics on this site is for personal use only; 
b. any copies of these pages saved to disk or to any other storage medium may only be used for subsequent viewing purposes or to print extracts for personal use; 
c. no part of this site may be reproduced or stored in any other Website or included in any public or private electronic retrieval system or service without go4awalk.com or TMDH Limited's prior written permission. 

I know it is very compliacted, but copyright lawyers can be very nasty! Sorry about the lecture, keep writing about hills mate, just be careful about images! Grinner 10:08, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sandbox/Poetry

I just wanted to bring to your attention the following page: wikicities:c:poetry:Sandbox Poetry (from Wikipedia). JesseW 22:08, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

The hill infoboxes

Anything to add to the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mountains/General#From_Template_talk:Infobox_british_hills_.28no_image.29 as regrds the infoboxes we use for hill articles? Grinner 09:49, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Kirk Fell image

Hi. I'm almost certain that the caption of the image you've included at Kirk Fell is slightly incorrect, and that the viewpoint is on the north-east slopes of Illgill Head, rather than on the slopes of Scafell Pike, at about NY176051 – while I suppose one could argue that Illgill Head is a continuation of Scafell Pike, most would agree that Illgill Head is a separate fell starting south-west of the Burnmoor Tarn col. For comparison, I've put a 3D picture created with aerial photography in Anquet Maps here [1] based at the above grid reference. StephenDawson 19:02, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

I've taken the plunge and edited the image caption. StephenDawson 18:43, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Template:UK-hill-stub

Very good idea that one pal! I will make a little adjustment though - I think mountain should come before hill i the category, since that is how the parent category is named. Now to work on finding 'em! Grinner 21:04, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Very BAD idea, as explained when you proposed the stub type. It has taken a lot of extra effort from the stub sorters to repair the mess that this new category made to the UK geography stub categories. Please desist from using it. The stub type is now up for deletion. Grutness...wha? 07:42, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Happy thoughts

OK so UK-hill-stub didn't work out (I still think it is a good idea, the policy is wrong!), hope it hasn't scared you off. :-) Grinner 10:43, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Re:Apology about hill stubs

Hi Mark J. You wrote DONT GET ANGRY WITH ME. I went ahead with the stupid thing right after I proposed it because I couldn't find/be bothered to wait for the proposals page again. Kinda thought I was doing everyone a favor sorting out the mess that you guys have got, and it certainly helps some people (see Grinner above). I didn't even put most of the stubs in the stupid category anyway.

I was angry with you because you deliberately went against the procedure. If my anger was misplaced, I apologise, but it caused a hell of a lot of extra work and time, which could have been taken up on more productive stub sorting. As for you not populating the category, no-one would have populated it if you hadn't made it in the first place - and "couldn't be bothered to wait" is hardly a good excuse. As for Grinner's suggestion that the policy is wrong, the best way to change a policy is to discuss why you think it is wrong and attempt to change opinion that way - not to go against policy and then try to explain afterwards. Grutness...wha? 09:03, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Re: Apology

Sorry. I wrote the 'apology' in a tearing hurry. I admit that i did the wrong thing, only trying to help.

Fair enough. And I'm sorry that my responses probably just made things worse. Truce? :) Grutness...wha? 23:10, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Adding a pronunciation parameter to {{Infobox_british_hills}} will probably cause problems, since all the hills without pronunciations will look bad. Another solution would be to create separate templates, like {{Infobox_british_hills_pronunciation}} and so on, but we don't really want to increase the number of templates in use for every new idea we have. What we can do is to agree on a method for incorporating pronunciation information into the existing infoboxes. Perhaps in small type under the name in the first row of the header, something like this:

Y Lliwedd pron.: /ə ɬɪwɛð/

It might even be possible via a transcluded template, so that "Y Lliwedd {{Infobox_pron|ə ɬɪwɛð}}" produced the above output.

Y Lliwedd
Y Lliwedd from Snowdon
Elevation:	898 m (2946 ft)
Location:	Snowdonia, Wales
{{Deprecated Mtnbox Templates}}	Prominence:	154m
Ordnance Survey Landranger 115}} {{Deprecated Mtnbox Templates}}
OS grid reference:	NN166713
Listing:	Marilyn (hill), Hewitt
{{Deprecated Mtnbox Templates}}
Pronunciation:	/ə ɬɪwɛð/
{{Deprecated Mtnbox Templates}}

Problems like this would, incidentally, be solved if we used the approach put forward by User:hike395 for using the generic mountain box format. Then, it would simply be a case of creating a row (e.g. the {{Mtnbox_pronunciation}} that I've been playing with) and inserting it where required in the infobox. A mock-up is shown on the right.

Either solution seems acceptable to me, but I would insist on the use of IPA. I've lost track of the number of times I've read stupid things like "Yr Wyddfa (pronounced urr-weeth-var)", which are of no use to anybody. Adding IPA to pages is tiresome, but the only reasonable way of preserving the real pronunciation.

--Stemonitis 08:16, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Another possibility, which, for some reason, I've only just thought of, is to put the pronunciation information in the text, and not in the infobox. Simple, eh? --Stemonitis 08:23, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Regarding IPA, I realise that most people don't know it, but that's why I put the link there; anyone can go to the IPA article, click on the relevant symbol, and be told what words in English and other languages use that sound. I really think it's the only way. For instance, there is no other good way of representing the /ɬ/ sound. --Stemonitis 07:23, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I quite like the ide of an optional row, as Stem has suggested. We should probably suggeest it at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mountains/General first though. Grinner 19:28, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I like the optional row, too. Sadly, it means converting all of the British hills infobox template calls over to multiple Mtnbox template calls. This is not impossible, it's just a lot of work. Since I'm on WikiHoliday, I don't want to do this myself. -- hike395 15:55, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

I'd say the point is that not all the hills would need it. We could transfer those that require a pronunciation field across. Over time the number of peaks using the infobox would shrink, making eventual complete conversion easier. Grinner 08:45, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

OK, nobody said anything against the idea, so I'm going to put it into a few hills then. Grinner 10:10, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

In the end I ran into trouble with the symbols for IPA pronunciation, so I gave up. Grinner 15:10, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Category: British Hills by Height

Don't know if you noticed Category: British Hills by Height, but this category has ben produced, it makes a list of all British hills in height order by using the infobox. It has now been proposed for deletion. You might have an opinion one way or the other, so check out Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_September_1#Category:Mountains_by_Elevation_.28km.29_and_its_subcategories if you like. Grinner 15:10, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

England-geo-stubs

Hi Mark - you might want to hold off on moving stubs from UK-geo-stub to England-geo-stub for a while... a lot of the ones you're moving are only going to be moved again shortly, because there are currently eight counties being split off, and a few more will be in a week or so - probably 500 stubs won't need moving across to the England category. Hang on for a couple of weeks and you'll save yourself a lot of work! Grutness...wha? 11:15, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikithanks! for Snowdon

Mark: I hereby award you this Wikithanks for being bold and editing Snowdon to include pronunciation. This is a good idea: we need to take a first step in converting British Hill articles over to Mtnbox templates. Thanks!!! -- hike395 04:24, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

Bit of help please! Can you tell me which codes equate to which IPA symbol? Is there a list you are using or something? Grinner 09:28, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and it seems a shame that changeing over means that we can't have double infoboxes. I'm going to ask about this at the Wiki Project.Grinner 10:20, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Apologies for being thick, I hadn't noticed you recent additions to my talk page! I will go and do some hills. Oh and just noticed the changes to your User Page, a belated happy birthday!Grinner 13:00, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Double hill info boxes

I'm going to change the double hill template to include pronuciation, and then re-inser it into Beinn Eighe etc. Hope this is cool. It seems people are happy with it as a special case, and it was a shame to loose the additional summits. Also, I've found Template:Mtnbox_start_nopic_norange, which will be useful for turning over other infoboxes without pictures into the Mtnbox format. Grinner 11:06, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Beinn Eighe

Hello, The big pic is not Ruadh-stac Mor, it's Sgurr an Fhir Duibhe and the Black Carls. RegardsGillean666 11:25, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation of "bathe".

I saw that you asked Nohat about this and he didn't give you such a clear answer. The reason the vowel that sounds "ay" is not on the IPA vowel chart is because that vowel is a diphthong (double vowel). The two vowel sounds in the word "bathe" are on the chart separately. I assume you mean [this chart].--LiuLanDi 05:59, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Hill names that share

I think the general position is to prefer a comma rather that brackets, but I don't think it's set in stone. Grinner 09:04, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

English hill parentage

I notice you've been updating the List of Marilyns in England with full relative height information. Once again (didn't we discuss this at List of peaks by prominence?), I wonder what the meaning of parent is. Relative height is all about differences between ring contours and the highest points within them, as I see it. Thus, the highest point within a certain 445m contour is the summit of High Stile and that point is at 807m, giving it a relative height of 362m. That contour touches another (at, by definition, a col), whose highest contained point is the summmit of Scafell Pike at 978m. When thinking about it that way, one can't help but see Scafell Pike as the parent peak to High Stile, and not Great Gable. But then, I've always thought about it that way, so I my be blind to the advantages of the alternatives. --Stemonitis 11:39, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Great picture resource

I've found a great website: [2]. They aim to have a photo from every 1km grid square in Britain, and all the images are licensed as Creative Commons Attribution, so they are suitable for use on wikipedia. I have addded some to some hill pages, just thought I'd let you know. If you find any to use, remember to put the photographer's name and the code {{cc-by-sa-2.0}} in the information section of the uploading page. Grinner 09:16, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Image Tagging File:Kirkfell.jpg

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You helped choose {{subst:IDRIVEtopic article}} as this week's WP:ACID winner

-- Mamawrites 00:08, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Image Tagging File:Loughrigg.jpg

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Eskdale

Thanks for removing my picture of Eskdale. A picture I remind you that I took and is not barred from Wikipeda by copyright like the one you have replaced it with. Better picture - I think not - that picture is clearly lifted from another website and is subject to copyright. Seems you make a habit of doing this sort of thing. Think you ought to put the original picture back which is far better anyway. Then again I might do it myself. Mick Knapton 14:13, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Emergency department

I wonder if you would consider supporting Emergency department atWikipedia:Article Improvement Drive. This department is where we all go if we are very ill, and I feel it needs a boost if it is ever to get featured article status. I would greatly appreciate if you were able to offer support on this.--File Éireann 15:50, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

panoramas

How did you find those very cool panoramas? (I came across your links in some White Mountain, NH peaks). What an excellent site that is. - DavidWBrooks 16:54, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Panoramas 'Spam'

Hiya Mark, I don't wish to upset anyone and true, the panoramas themselves are quite informative, but that third paragraph of the opening page:- A CD containing all the panoramas listed below can be supplied for £5. Also 360° panoramas from customer specified locations can be ordered. These are priced at £12 per viewpoint if e-mailed, £16 if sent on CD and £20 if sent printed and encapsulated. There is an overhead charge of £3 per order to cover p&p/admin. For contact details click here really smacks of commercialism. If you would link just to the panoramas, that would be fine. BTW I admire all your other contributions to british hills. Regards Gillean666 11:25, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

-- No it is not commercialism. The above prices are based on reproduction cost. Btw the USGS charge $45 for CD's and $60 for DVD's for data based on "cost of reproduction". The labour cost of creating panoramas from customer specified viewpoints justifies the price of these. Please be less trigger happy, Gillean. Jonathan de Ferranti, author of the panoramas.

No one else seems to be objecting to the links so it seems I may have been a little hasty, please feel free to revert my edits.-Gillean666 13:38, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Mark, I may need your support again! See [here]. Someone seems to think that SRTM evidence is not permissible... if that is so then you will need to take down all your prominence lists as they belong in the field of original research Viewfinder 11:32, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

I'd just like to pip in here and say I have trouble finding the usefulness in all those linked panoramas. Additionally the commercial aspect is way off too. Remember WP:EL#What should not be linked to... If the copyright of these images was such that they could be added to WP itself, then... Thanks/wangi 21:50, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Right, I'll take it to Viewfinder's page, although you are the one adding the links! Although I am going to remove at least the link from the Forth Road Bridge article - having a panorama of peaks visable from a peak is one thing, but from a bridge!? Thanks/wangi 17:20, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Geograph photos

Might I suggest you upload the CC photos from geograph.org.uk to Wikimedia Commons rather than here - generally if the copyrights allow it (and they do in this case) it is much better to upload to commons because the image can then be used easily by all the Wikipedia projects.

In any case you are tagging the photos with {{cc-by-2.5}}, this is wrong - you should be using {{cc-by-sa-2.0}}, which matches the licence used on the geograph site itself.

I've uploaded quite a few photos from geograph myself (e.g. File:RRS Discovery.jpg, File:Loganair Islander at Fair Isle.jpg, File:Barra Airport, control tower.jpg, ...) and managed to cause quite a stir in the process too: http://www.geograph.org.uk/discuss/index.php?&action=vthread&forum=2&topic=1118! That's one of the reasons it's important to get the copyright stuff 100% right!

A great resource though, yeah?

Thanks/wangi 17:12, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

No, 2.0 is different to 2.5. What I do is leave the licence at the default setting, and in the Summary field put in all the info I want. For example with File:RRS Discovery.jpg I added today I entered:

[[RRS Discovery]] was built and launched in [[Dundee]] in 1901. It took [[Captain Scott]] to the [[Antarctic]] in the same year.

Alternatively just edit the summary afterward and change the licence template to {{cc-by-sa-2.0}}. Thanks/wangi 19:03, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

I've added a {{geograph}} template to Commons. I tagged File:De Havilland Aircraft Museum Hertfordshire.jpg as an example. - Crosbiesmith 15:38, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Marilyns of England

Just wanted to thank you for the work you're putting into tabulating the page - it is appreciated! Grinner 10:12, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

List of wikipedians by number of edits

Hi, im an active contributor in es: wikipedia. I'm interested in generating a list like you did, but dumping in wikimedia download does not include information about users (user table). How did you generate it? I prefer you to answer it in my es: wikipedia discussion page. Thanks so much. --Porao 23:00, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Word Association

Hey, Mark! When you update the word-count, please don't forget to also update the "as of <word>" section. That helps us know when someone has forgotten to update. Thanks! (...tanks, war, raw, meat, ) Peter T.S. 16:55, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

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Geograph template

Cheers for that, I hadn't seen it before. I will certainly make use of it. Grinner 12:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

geograph

What follows is somewhat nit-picking because I have to admit that the images you have copied from geograph have been marked with source and licence information in an exemplary manner - and better than Grinner has been doing. But please from now on: always remember to upload to the commons and always use the {{geograph}} tag.

Further may I suggest that if you have any spare time, please:

• go through what you have already uploaded to the commons and convert to use the {{geograph}} tag
• go through what you have already uploaded here, the English wikipedia. I would not suggest you re-upload them to the commons but again if you could add a {{geograph}} tag to each one it would help.

Using the tag puts the image into a category for images from geograph which, if nothing else, may help to catch double uploads such as you have done with: File:Bishop of Barf.jpg - File:The Bishop of Barf.jpg and File:The Cheviot.jpg - File:The Cheviot Summit.jpg.

-- RHaworth 20:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Note, i've now updated {{geograph}} here to match the commons version. Thanks/wangi 22:54, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Marilyn maps

Just to say, I'm liking your maps of the English Marilyns. Good work, as always! Grinner 12:05, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

So they got deleted eh, b*gger. Grinner 14:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

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Defacation

Mark J, I have an urgent message. A person with the I.P. address of 210.212.45.144 has made some serious defacations to the wikipedian website. We need to stop and revert this man's edits NOW. Pass on this message.

New game

Hey Mark J. This is Starhood`, and as a fellow genius, I wanted to show you a new game from the sandbox. It's called Diplomacy. Why don't you check it out? It's very good.

Target

Um, Mark. I really hate to be the one who's saying this but you're painting a BIG red bullseye on yourself. Please don't add information to your home page on who you are but what you are. Thanks. Starhood` 21:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Football

Hi! Hope you aren't pissed off on me for nominating your article List of football teams by World Cup performance for deletion. Nothing wrong with the article itself except that it is original research. I just wanted to say that I hope that you keep contributing to the football articles on Wikipedia, and that if you seek assistance on Wiki-football matters, the WikiProject on Football is here to help! – Elisson • Talk 16:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, ditto to above and I hope you don't mind me removing the various references to it in nation's articles. It IS quite an interesting list though --Robdurbar 16:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Will you quit adding that bloody table to 1930 World Cup, it has been removed above 5 times now and it is going to be removed againg. It was a knockout competition. Jooler 02:12, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes it seems it was you! In this edit [3]

Taking out the points wouldn't really help either. If you want to include material like this, please discuss in the article's talk page and try to gain consensus there. I know I have deleted this table at least twice already and it is irritating to see it being reinserted without dialogue and seemingly against common sense; the tournament was a knockout one, so a league table seems spurious and misleading. --Guinnog 10:17, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Sorry. Jooler 16:51, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

You replied to my comment (I think) on Jooler's talk page by mistake. Please seek consensus in talk for any further additions of this type you might be tempted to make in the future. With or without the points. Thanks, --Guinnog 15:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I found the table via your user page. I have updated it and added some comments. Viewfinder 22:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

"Hewitts" in Scotland

Hi Mark, I see you added the section about hills of Hewitt status in Scotland to Hewitt (hill) (which I've now merged into Hill lists in the British Isles). Do you have a source for such a list (I'm assuming it wasn't the dreaded original research)? If so could you cite it in the article, or let me know? I've moved the section to the talk page for the time being, as "a survey has recently been completed" doesn't really stand up to WP:VERIFY. Cheers, Blisco 20:35, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

You helped choose Wall Street Crash of 1929 as this week's WP:ACID winner

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Ceol and Ceolwulf

Hi -- I saw you recreated Ceol of Wessex and Ceolwulf of Wessex as separate articles. I recently merged them to Wessex after a merge discussion at Talk:Wessex#Suggested_merges. (Only one other person commented.) Did you miss this, or do you think the merge was a mistake? I'd still like to keep them merged -- there's nothing more to say about these guys. Thanks. Mike Christie (talk) 21:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, no problem; if you find more then sure, an article is worth it. On Ine of Wessex, I've reverted your note about Aethelheard possibly having married Cwenburg -- the article is a featured article candidate right now, so I'm trying to keep it properly sourced. Can you tell me where you got that information? As far as I know, the only reference to this is in a charter which is known to be forged, and I didn't think it specified whether Aethelburh was Aethelheard's sister, or Aethelheard married Cwenburg or another sister we don't know of. Anyway, let me know -- if there's a good source it would be great to add it. Mike Christie (talk) 12:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the family tree looks good. I haven't gone through it to see where you got the data -- before Egbert things get a bit speculative; the various genealogies disagree quite a bit. But as far as I can tell from a quick look, it's an asset. Mike Christie (talk) 22:14, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Peak parents

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mountains#New row added: Parent_peak. Thanks. Ben MacDui (Talk) 12:13, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Juan Carlos

Encyclopedic biographies generally exist to provide an account of the subject's life and situate his actions in history, not to hit the reader over the head with the fact that he's descended from a really really really long royal line. Of course that descent set the King up for his position, but it had no (or only a peripheral) effect on his actions in office. Let's look at a professional biography of a royal, shall we? We're told who his parents were and that's essentially it -- not even his royal house is explicitly mentioned. So, if you truly want to stick that long and essentially trivial list into House of Bourbon, I suppose it's an option, but really, I'd say let's direct our efforts toward prose-building. Biruitorul (talk) 22:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Descent of Elizabeth II from the Romans

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I don't know if you saw my note on the talk page, but a reference indicating that Arran is the site of "Hutton's Unconformity" (as opposed to just one of them, would be helpful. Either that or expand the article to include any others. There is no rush as such, but it would be helpful to have an early indication of your intentions. Ben MacDui^Talk/Walk 21:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

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Firle Beacon

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War of the spanish succession family tree

Sorry, I didn't see that was you the author. To easily denotes that I put the {{self}} with your license tag. Sorry, again. --Sdrtirs (talk) 18:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello Mark J

• Can I point you to the discussion on the talk page of User:RHaworth and ask you if you have an opinion on the subject of county High points as we need a consensus on the subject. Many thanks Stavros1 (talk) 19:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

File:German monarchs family tree.jpg

Awesome image! With data type images, it's often a good idea to cite your sources. I assume you got the info from a history book? On an unrelated note, I'm looking across into the Lake District from where I am sitting, so it's nice to see someone who writes about my local area. J Milburn (talk) 11:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, yeah, that's fine then. Keep up the good work! J Milburn (talk) 11:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Catstye Cam

I saw you edited the Catstye Cam article recently. Having added one of my images to the German article, I thought you might like this in the English article as well (I don not want to edit it because I dont have an English Wikipedia account). I could not find anything like it on Wikipediy Commons, though I think it's a very fine view on the mountain. --79.210.187.15 (talk) 11:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

List of UK universities by date of foundation

Just trying to help! – ukexpat (talk) 20:13, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Heh, no worries, thanks for the cleanup. --Mark J (talk) 12:14, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Ultras Map

I didn't create it, i just added it to the page when i merged the two Ultras pages. User:Ras52 gets the credit for the map. --Greatestrowerever (talk) 20:11, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Prominence

I've seen that you added the prominence of Canigou (550 m) in February 2006. Since then, a lot of pages on the Internet seem to have retrieved this info from Wikipedia and I can't found other sources for this kind of information. I was wondering if you have a source where I can get other prominences for not-so-high mountains. I have this page but unfortunately there aren't many mountains there, just the highest. Thanks in advance! --Qllach (talk) 21:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

That would be [4]. I think! Mark J (talk) 22:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

See also more such lists and other linked sites at [5], although not all of the data have been map checked. Viewfinder (talk) 13:08, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Lists of Ultras

Just a quick word of warning. There's been some discussion recently on the prominence Yahoo group (its mailing list archives are publicly accessible) about the excellent lists of Ultras that you have made. Some of the authors/contributors of the http://peaklist.org/ website are concerned that these lists might be in violation of their copyright: see, in particular, this message where Aaron Maizlish, the primary author of peaklist, is requesting clear attribution at the top of the pages. While I can fully sympathise with this, making such a condition is incompatible with the GFDL — the licence which applies to all the text in Wikipedia. Specifically, while the GFDL requires "principal authors" to be acknowledged, it does not allow additional further restrictions on how they are to be acknowledged. This may sound like a technicality, but it is important because, for example, if I wished to, I could take Wikipedia content and turn it into a printed book without seeking any additional permission from the original contributors. This is further complicated by the fact that elsewhere Viewfinder has stated that "the vast majority of the peak data is based on computer generated lists which I derived from SRTM data and various topographic maps in 2004–5. Copyrighting this material would have obstructed the production of useful derived products. Therefore I did not copyright it." I'm sure an amicable arrangement can be reached on this; nevertheless, I wanted to make you aware of the potential problem. — ras52 (talk) 21:25, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

From what I can make out, the problem is not with the lists themselves, but with the text at the top of the Ultras page, which is admittedly very similar to the text on peaklist.org and therefore does count as a probable copyright violation. I'll do my best to change it without losing too much stuff. Mark J (talk) 11:20, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh ok, you've already done it. Thanks. Mark J (talk) 11:22, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

By all means continue to add lists of ultras to Wikipedia, but not without supplying material sources! Viewfinder (talk) 14:54, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry! I couldn't get to Peaklist earlier, I think the site was down or something, so I couldn't get the URL's (I used your spreadsheet instead). Mark J (talk) 14:57, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

List of Central Asian Ultras

Here is a message I put on User talk:Greatestrowerever on September 18, which is unanswered.

"I am getting frustrated with the list of the less famous Tajik Ultras on peaklist.org. Example: "Gora imeni Fuchika" (line 21): this should be "Fucik Peak" (after the Czech journalist Julius Fucik, who visited Central Asia in the 1930s), but "Fucik Peak" is not mentioned in any of my Tajik sources. Furthermore, it is mentioned only three or four time on Google (in Russian, nothing in English), and in these cases it appears to be a 4,100 m peak in Kyrgyzstan (in the Issyk-Kul' region), not a 4,573 m peak in Tajikistan. On my topographical map of Tajikistan, I find a 4,573 m peak at the coordinates specified in peaklist.org, but it is unnamed. The link to 100K maps given at the bottom of peaklist.org does not work any more. So I am stymied. Can you direct me to good sources that list Central Asian mountains by altitude, not necessarily by prominence? I would like to check this as thoroughly as possible, because the new Ultras in the list will need to have new Wikipedia articles written about them (if only stubs). Any guidance you can give me will be much appreciated. Thanks. --Zlerman (talk) 15:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)"

Unfortunately, the problem (with Gora imeni Fuchika and other peaks) remains in your extensions/updates of List of Central Asian Ultras. The new lists are very comprehensive, but they look like verbatim reproductions from peaklist.org (no copyright concerns?). In my opinion, we in Wiki should make an effort to identify/describe the peaks more fully, so that readers of the List get a better idea what these peaks are and where they are located. The profusion of red links does not help, of course. I am not a member of the prominences group and I am not qualified to deal with these issues, but I bring this outsider's view to your attention as a representative of the experts. Best, --Zlerman (talk) 01:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Zlerman, good to know you're interested in the Ultras! Unfortunately my only job has been to copy the information across from peaklist to here (where everyone can look at it and it can be updated regularly). Your best bet would be to ask Viewfinder, as he is one of the three people who actually worked on the project.

Cheers - Mark J (talk) 08:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

On the general issue of copyright, it was agreed by the webmaster of peaklist that the ultras should be on Wikipedia, because it will expose them to a wider audience (e.g. Zlerman), allow others to contribute directly and provide a list with links to pages with detailerd information. On the specific issue of Gora Imeni Fuchika / Fucik peak, there is definitely a 4500-4600m summit at the location given on peaklist, it is shown on the Russian 100K map and is in agreement with SRTM. The name was extracted from the USGS GNIS, but the Russian map names the peak 4573m, "Gora Kukhifrush". Any new information Zlerman can provide about the correct name for the summit at this location will be welcome. On the issue of red links, it should be noted that not all ultras have generally recognised names - pages about the likes of "Point 4800" may have a tendency to be nominated for deletion. Viewfinder (talk) 10:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of United Kingdom regions by population density

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Chinese emperors family tree (middle)

Mark J- Your alterations to this page are fantastic! Pretty much exactly what I had envisaged for it! (You probably noticed that I have tried to combine the Sui and Tang family trees before, but they kept being reverted.) A thousand thanks! 86.155.8.148 (talk) 15:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Adding Wikipedia articles on Hills to Google Earth

Found your post on the Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_British_and_Irish_hills article. Yes, there does appear to be a way, not entirely sure how it works, and it could be time consuming for each hill I guess. Just refer to my reply. Pigetrational (talk) 21:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Diving Welsh mountains up into ranges

I'm not sure whether you've been following the discussion on Talk:List of Hewitts and Nuttalls in Wales on how to divide the Welsh Nuttalls up into regions, but it seemed like the sort of thing you might have an insight into. —ras52 (talk) 17:51, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me to the discussion! I've replied there Mark J (talk) 21:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I've responded to some of your comments over on Talk:List of Hewitts and Nuttalls in Wales, but I'll answer your questions about my map here. The coloured contour base layer of the map is derived from NASA's Shuttle Radar Topography Mission data. NASA have made a 3-arcsecond digital elevation model dataset available for the whole world between 56°S and 60°N. NASA's data has voids in it, often in mountainous areas, so I use User:Viewfinder's void-filled version of it. I then wrote a short computer program to produce an image with one pixel per 3"×3" square coloured from green (sea-level) through yellow (300 m) to white (600 m) and finally magenta (900 m). (There's so little of Britain outside the Cairngorm plateau above 900  that making all such regions a uniform magenta looks absolutely fine. If I get around to doing Scotland, I might redo the base layer adding an indigo for 1200 m, which might just show up in the High Carneddau.)

Other than near the equator, 3" of longitude is considerably less than 3" of latitude (56.5 m versus 93.8 m in mid-Wales), so I've scaled the map rectangularly to fix that. This results in a Mercator projection and so introduces a horizontal distortion at the top and bottom of the map (in this case by about cos 51.5° / cos 53.5° = 4%). (In general a transverse Mercator projection such as is used by the Ordnance Survey is more suitable in an area shaped like Great Britain — i.e. taller than it is wide — but that would have required actual thought on my part.) The base layers (scaled or otherwise) are trivial to generate and if you want any, just ask.

Generating the run-offs (i.e. the domain boundaries) is harder. I wrote code to analyse the elevation model to try to find these. This works well in mountainous areas which is why I've done Wales first. At present, though, it's almost useless somewhere for somewhere like East Anglia. Some places there are several possible lines which need manually resolving. I usually do this by tracing rivers and/or valley bottoms on the Ordnance Survey's New Popular Edition maps. (The reason for using the NPE maps is that they are out of copyright.) In some places, even this is somewhat arbitrary: where, for example, where is the southwest edge of the Beacon Batch cell where it passes through the Somerset Levels? My code attempts to find cells for any peak with a 100 m+ prominence — this is because the SRTM data tends to under estimate the prominence, especially when the key col is in a narrow gorge or the peak is particularly sharp and pointy. Merging sub-Marilyn cells then needs to be done manually. I tend to use your Humps lists for that. The longest part of the job, though, is manually tidying up all the boundaries, coastlines, etc., so that they look pretty, and then adding all the labels and so on.

So far I've done maps of Wales and the Welsh Marches and Southern England: south of the Avon and Thames (at half the scale of the Welsh map). And I'm working on Northern England: from the Tyne to the Humber at the same scale as the Welsh map which will go as far north as Cold Fell (35A) and south as Winter Hill (36) or maybe Black Hill (36). Except I'm now wondering whether the scale is wrong as there are too many small cells in the central Lake District, and I can't fit the labels around them. And I wonder whether I should have extended the map south to include the Peak District Marilyns. So that may turn into two maps — a larger scale one for the Lake District, and a smaller scale one for northern England. I've also got a part-finished very small-scale one for the whole of the British Isles, which will serve two purposes: first to indicate which areas are covered by which other maps, and secondly to mark the cell boundaries in central and eastern England. (I'd like to know which cell I live in, for example. I'm wondering whether the River Cam might form the boundary between Bardon Hill and Haddington Hill.)

After that? Well, a map of Northumberland and the Southern Uplands of Scotland: from the Forth and Clyde to the Tyne is likely. But at the moment I haven't decided whether to tackle the rest of Scotland. I'd very much like to, but unless I can improve my code so that considerably less manual tidying up is required, I think the time required to do a job of a standard that I'm satisfied with would be more than I have.

There are a number of other minor thoughts I have for longer-term improvements. If I can find a source for traditional (i.e. pre-1974) county boundaries that I can legally use, I wouldn't mind including these as faint overlay. And I'm contemplating including an overlay of major roads and/or railways much like on the Harvey's Mountain Charts] maps of England & Wales, and Scotland. (Though unlike Harvey's, I thought I would take the innovative step of putting the mountains in at least vaguely the right place — c.f. this TAC review.)

In answer to your question, yes, I am on the RHB group and I occasionally read some of the correspondence there, but I've never really got into it. Feel free to upload either of those maps there if you want. (So far as I'm concerned, they're available under the Creative Commons 3.0 by-nc-nd licence. I expect I'll change that to something more permissive in the future, but at present I'm keeping my options open.)

Anyway, thanks for your interest and kind words about the map. One of these days I'll learn how to write a short talk-page comment :-) — ras52 (talk) 20:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Awesome - thanks for taking the time to post a detailed reply. The maps do look good and it's great to know that you plan on making some more. I'll leave it up to you whether you want to post them on the lists of Marilyns, since they're yours - but I think you should, since they do an excellent job of showing the hill's locations.

I can answer one of your queries straight away - the boundary between Cleeve Hill and Haddington Hill, at least in the area you're talking about, is the Great Ouse. This means that Cambridge and the hills around it are part of the HH territory, whereas everything to the NW of the Ouse is Cleeve, and that includes England's remotest hill, in Haddenham near Ely, if you're interested. Bardon's territory is actually quite small.

You may be wondering how I know this sort of stuff... I actually worked out a lot of it myself when I was in the process of doing the 30m list. If you take a look at them (they are on the Files section of the rhb group, good as a centralised database for files if nothing else!) they are sorted by parent Marilyn, and this is done according to the territories. I did this using a mapping program called Fugawi which allows you to draw lines on the maps, and simply drew on the Marilyn territory boundaries from the key cols given in the 'Marilyn's parents' spreadsheet. If you follow me.

Unless you have Fugawi yourself this isn't going to be a great deal of use to you, but I can send you some screenshots of the areas I've done without too much trouble, if you like. In fact I'd be glad to be able to repay you in some way for your artistic skill! I can also probably answer any specific queries you have, eg. Beacon Batch.

I'll post something on the group soon linking to the maps if that's fine. Everyone should definitely know about them. Good to know that you are connected to the community - making use of Viewfinder's work (I take it he knows about your work? He does very similar stuff) and I'm real glad you're finding my Humps lists of use. Let me know if you spot any mistakes :-)

All the best. Mark J (talk) 21:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

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Welsh phonology

Hi!

I noticed you've been doing some editing of the Welsh orthography article. You should be careful about your phonological descriptions. For example, you seem to be mixing up [ə] and [ʊ]. The first, schwa, is the sound in English about; the second is the sound in English book. You also need to be careful of the term "diphthong". ir does not represent a diphthong in Welsh; it's a combination of a monophthong and a consonant. Awr is a combination of a diphthong and a consonant. And the [r] is pronounced in Welsh; while ear is pronounced /iə/ by most speakers in England (except before vowels), ir is pronounced [ir] by most Welsh speakers, regardless of the following sound.

Finally (and this is really picky! Sorry!), I notice from your wikibook that you say, "This letter makes a sound like..." and so on. Be careful of that: letters don't make sounds, they represent them. We shouldn't talk about letters as being vowels and consonants (although the temptation is so great that we frequently do) either, for the same reason.

I hope that's been some help anyway! Sorry to sound critical.

garik (talk) 14:46, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Not at all! On the contrary, thank you very much for your corrections. I freely admit that I am not a phonology expert, just a hillwalker with an ambition to make things clearer! I hope people find the wikibook useful once it is finished. Mark J (talk) 15:20, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Irish family trees

Hi Mark! Would it be possible for you do to do one of two things for me? One, convert trees I have created such as that at Niall of the Nine Hostages or two, show me how to do it myself. There are quite a few such trees for the various Irish royal dynasties but my versions are crude compared to what you can do. Let me know!

I'm not quite sure what you mean to be honest. The one over at Niall of the Nine Hostages looks splendidly done to me and you clearly know how the syntax for the family tree template works, which isn't straightforward. Stick with the method you're using! Mark J (talk) 17:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

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{{Marilyns N Eng}}

Hi, I'm not a template expert, but I've tweaked this template a bit (having found it on Ilkley Moor on my watchlist).

• I've put some breaks into the region names to make that column narrower, to allow more room for the lists of mountaint

• I've shrunk the image a bit for same reason. (It could just be a matter of my display settings, but the template seemed to take just far too much space relative to the rest of the articles)

• I've altered the "name" field of the template - this should match the file name. As it didn't, it wasn't possible to edit the template directly by clicking on the "e" which appears top left of it.

I'm not really sure whether this template is a good thing - it's so large, and most of its functions seem to be well done by the list at List of Marilyns in England, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone proposes deleting it, but I think I've improved it a bit. Cheers, PamD (talk) 22:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi - actually I think you may have overdone it a bit on the region names as the table now takes up more space than before, as each section takes up three lines as opposed to two - at least on my browser, and that coupled with downsizing the image leads to loads of white space. However I am using widescreen which is fairly unconventional. Maybe it is something to do with your display settings as well. I will try and go for a compromise. Cheers, Mark J (talk) 22:17, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

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Were you planning to deploy this template? It's currently showing up on the orphaned template list. If it isn't going to be used, it should probably be deleted? Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 23:21, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Sgurr

Mark, I noticed you're moving various pages with Sgurr to Sgùrr with the note it's "proper Gaelic". Both are seen but actually the spelling without the accent is correct, even correct-er. It's a case of compensatory lengthening before non-intervocalic rr nn ll and m in Gaelic, so sgurr has /u:/ by virtue of the -rr, not the ` . Writing the accent is not unheard of but opens a can of worms becase if due to inflection a vowel is added, the vowel shortens and the accent may NOT be used anymore. So plural sgurrannan has /u/ for example. I'm not too worried as the English articles are unlikely to involve inflection but I just wanted to point out that moving them isn't really necessary. Hope that made sense! Akerbeltz (talk) 14:50, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks mate and having looked it up I agree with you. Does this hold true for Carn as well? To be honest I was just following the usage in OS maps. Mark J (talk) 16:40, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! Yes, unfortunately the people messing around with the spelling don't quite understand the text to phoneme rules of the system and have introduced quite a mess, sadly mis-advising the OS. You're right in the sense that it's now OS practice to wroter Sgùrr/Càrn/Àird/Àrd etc in spite of this being superfluous.

And you're right on the rn group too which (along with rd) always causes lengthening/diphthongisation of the preceding vowel. Akerbeltz (talk) 17:22, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Table at World's largest cities

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Election maps

Hi Mark. If you're retouching vector maps (e.g. by adding colour), can you please keep them in vector format? Wereon (talk) 22:56, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

And if you gone to the trouble of doing all that, I should imagine you're planning to do something similar on Friday? I wouldn't bother - I've got all the originals, and can generated a full batch in just a few seconds. Once the results are in, of course. Wereon (talk) 23:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I've taken the initiative. Have a look. Wereon (talk) 01:14, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Dude, those are awesome! And you must have pretty nifty computing skills to get those up and running so quickly. I can't even work out how to add colour to an svg while keeping it in that format. But I thought it would be worth having county-scale results images for before/after, so a decent comparison can be made on Friday, so I'm glad you've done it better than I have. If you could do another batch on Friday to put side by side on each page, that would be really good.

Could I ask you also to do one for Wales as a whole? I was going to do the Welsh counties as well, but a lot of them only have a few constituencies in them and there are also a few overlaps. I would do this myself, but I haven't a clue how. I mean, if you could teach me I would happily do it for you, but I'm guessing it's pretty complicated.

All the best, Mark J (talk) 11:29, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Glad you like them. I did prepare a map of Wales - File:WalesParliamentaryConstituency2005Results.svg - but didn't add it to the relevant page. Likewise Scotland and Northern Ireland.

If you want to learn how to do it yourself, have a look at the program Inkscape. It's really easy to use. Wereon (talk) 12:10, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Nice work all round. The maps look superb! WFCforLife (talk) 22:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I added the new maps a few hours ago. Wereon (talk) 01:29, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Massive massive thank you. Hope you enjoyed the election! Mark J (talk) 10:31, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Votes per seats won

I really don't like the "votes per seats won" column you added to many articles a couple of weeks ago, and thought I'd let you know before I remove them. Our electoral system means we vote for individuals rather than parties, and it makes it look like Wikipedia is pushing a pro-PR (or at least anti-FPTP) POV. Wereon (talk) 17:35, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

antipodes

Hi,

At antipodes, you listed Niger for the Cooks. However, I can't find anything antipodal to Niger, so I deleted it from that list. — kwami (talk) 18:35, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

EPR paradox article

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Outlying Fells

Hi Mark, I've been doing some work on Outlying Fells (after a brilliant day on Black Combe on Tuesday). There is now just one unlinked hill name in The Outlying Fells of Lakeland (and I'll have a think how to sort out "Howes" later). But I'm a bit puzzled by the template {{Outlying Fells}}, which I see you created. I can't see what the rationale is for which names are included. I feel inclined to revise it to have 56 names, one per chapter, in A-Z order but divided into names which are individual fells and names which are horseshoes and circuits. But before launching into that, I thought I'd see what you thought as the original compiler of the template.

Another thought I have is that the list in The Outlying Fells of Lakeland ought to be a sortable table, with columns for height and chapter name, so it would be possible to answer the question I came home with on Tuesday of "where does Black Combe come in the height order of the outlying fells?". I might have a go, with one of the utilities for converting Excel spreadsheet to Wikitable. Not sure what other columns might be useful additions - either page number or "chapter number", so it can be sorted into the order in which they appear in the book, for one thing.

By the way, your user page and talk page differ by 3 years as to how old you are - does the talk page need an update? PamD 15:39, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I decided to go ahead anyway as the mood was upon me (Mother having been singularly irritatin and I felt like hiding away on the computer). Hope you're OK with my changes. I'm going to drop a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject British and Irish hills about what I'm doing. PamD 08:17, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

family tree help

I have completed the full family tree for the tang dynasty emperors, including all their ancestors dating back to Laozi (actually there are a few cadet branches I'd like to add like Li Bai's branch, but he is not a direct ancestor so that can wait). The problem is that the lines on the tree are skewed slightly to the left and therefore straight lines like the one from gaozu to taizong do not align properly, can you fix it? I'm pretty sure its just one error thats causing the entire line to shift towards the edge, just straighted in out. Talk:Chinese_emperors_family_tree_(middle)#tang_dynasty_family_tree.28incomplete.29 Mr reems 45kg (talk) 07:30, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

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Princes of Wales line of succession

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Hi i'm writing a research paper on the rurik dynasty and so far this is the most helpful thing i've been able to find, what source did you use to get this information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chickenpox101 (talk • contribs) 23:24, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

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List of churches on the Isle of Man

Hi Mark! I moved List of churches on the Isle of Man to draftspace because there weren't any sources nor much content other than parishes. I figured better safe than sorry, because it's something that I personally find intriguing and don't want to see it deleted. Cheers! ɯɐɔ 💬 23:00, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

• No worries, hopefully it's suitable now. Mark J (talk) 23:25, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

(1.5 years later) Hi Mark, thank you for creating the list-article. Independently I developed most of Registered Buildings of the Isle of Man, which overlaps, and only just noticed yours. Perhaps we could work together to improve both list-articles and some individual articles about the historic churches? --Doncram (talk) 12:06, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

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Northern Ireland MPs 1801-1885

Hi Mark J, great to have some more historical data at List of parliamentary constituencies in Northern Ireland. We're doing pretty poorly for sources on that page though. Was wondering if you could give a citation for your section, just to get the ball rolling? Cheers! – sam _talk 11:25, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

The 1832-1885 section? I'm afraid I just went through the individual Wikipedia articles for the constituencies. I didn't do any research outside of WP. Thanks, Mark J (talk) 22:26, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, I should have thought of that - I've been doing the same in other places. All the best! - sam^💬 08:35, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

(Header corrected.) Hey, would you like to collaborate on completing that page back to 1801 and beyond? Found a reference: [6] - sam^💬 22:18, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for this. Yes, you're right, it's not helpful how rubbish I am at this. I'll try to better. The reason I removed St Jude's was when looking at the edit history, I noticed an edit dated 20 September 2018 removing St Jude's which as you can see from its edit summary seems to be from the church's vicar. Obviously there's no way to be sure of this, and it could be argued the church should go in anyway because it has signed up to a Gospel Partnership doctrinal basis which is definitely complementarian, but I didn't think it was a battle worth fighting. Happy for it to go back in though. Mark J (talk) 19:46, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

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List of archdeacons in the Church of England

Hi Mark. Wow, well done on that timeline of changes you've added! That's quite an undertaking. Might you be able to add your sources to what you've written, please? I think your work is worthy of inclusion somewhere on wikipedia, but without any sources cited at all, I'm afraid it would be swiftly deleted. If you need any help at all, please ping me back. Your comrade, DBD 21:31, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi DBD, I actually just used the information available on each archdeaconry's WP page, no external research needed or undertaken. I suppose the count in the right hand column might count as OR, in which case I'm happy for it to go. Mark J (talk) 22:46, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

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When's that staff total from, please?

Hello Mark, it seems you're quite the worker when it comes to lists of churches, archdeaconries, clergy and so on. Thanks, it is helpful to those of us busy with other language versions. I was just wondering if you have a source or at least a date for the number of clergy featured in List of churches in the Diocese of London. That would be very helpful to me, as I edit the Swedish version of Diocese of London. Cheers! OJH (talk) 20:50, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi OJH, my source is https://www.crockford.org.uk/, unfortunately I think it needs a paid subscription to access, but you can still cite it, I've seen other people do it. Mark J (talk) 09:14, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

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