Talk:Tree of the knowledge of good and evil/off-topic

Its about the law of God vs the law of man

There was only one forbidden fruit in Eden: the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

When Adam ate the fruit, Yahweh’s response was: "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." So Adam (man) was banished from Paradise and condemned to mortality, with freedom to decide for himself what's good and evil.

The tower of Babel incident was man trying to get back to paradise (and the tree of life). To thwart this, Yahweh divided us into separate peoples with separate languages.

Much later, Yahweh hands Moses the commandments – what’s good and what’s evil according to Yahweh. A deal is done, a covenant entered into: we submit to God’s law and He gives us immortality in Paradise... eventually. So, one thousand five hundred years later, man is still waiting for deliverance, when Jesus appears. Calling himself the son of Adam.

Jesus taught freedom from the law of Yahweh. We can make our own laws, guided only by the "golden rule" and the invisible hand of the Holy Ghost. Never mind Yahweh’s circumcision, dietary regulations and stoned adulteresses. What's more, he was promising eternal life, raising the sick and the dead: overturning the mortality to which Yahweh had condemned us.

His apostles were speaking in tongues, overturning Yahweh's Babel mischief. The kingdom of heaven was immanent or imminent, close by anyway.

Jesus was a rebel, storming the gates of Eden, who got what was coming to him. Good and proper. Yahweh’s priesthood took control and presided over 2000 years of fascistic oppression, all the while dangling the image of a crucified Jesus before us, lest we forget what Yahweh does to those who challenge his rule.

The US Defence department is currently working on a little box that you can speak English into and out pops a spoken Arabic translation. Another attempt to undo Yahweh's Babel mischief. Marvellous to think that it may be first deployed in Babylon in a battle between man's law and God's law.

Anthony Cole

Response to Anthony Cole

Anthony:

Jesus came to fulfill the Law of the Father (Yahweh). Man (either Jew or Gentile) disobeyed the Father over and over throughout history and today. Man cannot save himself. Only God, the creator, can save man. Man created a debt of sin (disobedience) that must be paid in order to condemn the accusor, Satan. That debt has been paid in full by Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ.

The Law is not changed or reversed. Law is forced but love is given. God, the Father, loved us so much that He sent His only Son, Jesus Christ, to pay the debt of sin created by man. His grace is sufficent. We are righteous in His eyes again when we believe and trust in His Son. This is the love of God, His unyielding and everlasting grace.

The Bible will show you this great unfolding Truth, if you will pray and read God's Word earnestly.

Vic O'Dell

Human Shared Knowledge

The thing that makes humans different from the animals is our ability to share and pass on knowledge from one person to another. When an individual animal learned something new it was lost upon the death of the individual. But humans evolved language which allowed new discoveries to be taught to others. Eventually humans learned to draw symbols and then a written language.

As human evolution progressed the printing press was invented and then radio, television, telephones, computers, and the Internet made the storage and transfer of knowledge more efficient. As our technologies grew, our knowledge base grew and humanity as a species evolved forward.

Our common knowledge base which we call the Tree of Knowledge is the benchmark of human evolution. Realists make it their duty to grow the tree as they expand their knowledge of the reality that we all exist in.

Subject Censorship - Please stop it!

Please quit censoring information on the Church of Reality's interpretation of the Tree of Knowledge. Realists aren't deleting Christian interpretations.

In the Church of Reality the Tree of Knowledge represents the sum total of all human understanding. It represents the shared knowledge of the human race. The tree is represented by a fractal and is a reference to a mathematical tree indicating that all knowledge is interconnected. The growth of the Tree of Knowledge is equated the the positive evolution of the human race.

--Marcperkel 06:58, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Creationist Chronicles: Wicca?

interesting idea...although you'll find that MANY people would be insulted with the idea that the Torah, Bible and Qur'an are rooted in Wicca. Arch O. La ^{Grigory Deepdelver} 17:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Never mind...Wetman removed it. Arch O. La ^{Grigory Deepdelver} 18:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

So let me see if I get this straight. I follow the npov guideline on what another groups belief structure is on a particul subject and it gets removed. Yes the idea may insult some but there are those that share these particular beliefs. If google books has no problem publishing the full text of this groups belief structure on this particular subject matter than why should Wikipedia. The fact is there are people that believe this to be true. When Wetman deletes this fact stating "removed vanity-published anonymously-authored simplistic rant: "knowledge=books". Wetman is clearly ignorant on this particular subject matter and those people who hold this particular belief structure.--Creationistguy 21:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure Wetman's just concerned about WP:NOTABILITY. Arch O. La ^{Grigory Deepdelver} 21:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

NOTABILITY Nonetheless there is no dictum against any book that is reasonably spread or otherwise well-known or remarkable. Ask yourself if several libraries or bookshops, or a no-subscription website have a copy of the book, so that other wikipedians can easily consult the book, or at least have access to on-line or press-published reviews of the book.

Usually, books with an ISBN-number and/or availability in a couple dozen of libraries and/or a Project Gutenberg type website, and with a notability above that of an average cookbook or programmers manual would qualify.

The book I referred to has LCCN 2003097908 and a ISBN-number 1-4107-9815-1 although the paperback version of the book has been sold out for sometime and only available in secondary markets, the electronic version is available free through google books. The point of the post was not to promote the entire book but only refer to that portion of the book that refers to the subject at hand. The belief structure of a particular group on what the "tree of knowledge of good and evil" is.Creationistguy 23:01, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, there was a dispute over the Church of Reality's views some time back... see Talk:Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil/off-topic. Other than that, I suggest you Talk to Wetman. Arch O. La ^{Grigory Deepdelver} 06:19, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

What if the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" is exactly what it says?

If human beings had no concept of "good" or "evil" how would they behave? Is it possible that what is being represented here is either litterally or metaphorically the ability to categorize ourselves, others, and things as having an intentional agency committed to our well being or our destruction? Perhaps, we ate and continue to eat from the tree of "unforgiveness of anything not like me". Maybe we should consider eating instead from the tree of the knowledge of what works for everyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.66.45.94 (talk) 15:27, 9 July 2011 (UTC)