Wikipedia:Peer review/Sleeper hold/archive1

Sleeper hold

This is my first edit, which is also a major re-write. As such, I would greaty appreciate any comments about things I may be doing wrong or things that look fantastic. I was very careful in its writing, and I feel it is good as well as complete, but as it is my first article, I would love the opinion of the community here. DrWoody 05:58, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I think you must mean Sleeper Hold ;) But, apapert from that, I have a couple of suggestions:

• Pictures - either a drawing or a picture of this hold.
• More of the history behind it would be interesting, if you could trace it.
• References, references, references... everytime I put somethign up for peer review, I'm asked for it, so I guess they are important ;)

Overall, an interesting piece. take that as justified praise from a layman, who's style of 'martial art' can be described as 'wild swings and headbutts' ;) WegianWarrior 08:22, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! I've been looking around for a drawing or illustration that would help clarify the article, but this could take me a little time as I'm not familiar with all the copyright issues of wikipedia yet. I'll get it eventually, though. As far as references, I'm a little stuck. Pretty much 100% of the information in there is personal knowledge, and this knowledge was learned first-hand from another person. What is the proper way to make references in this case? And finally regarding the history, I am also interested in finding more in this area, but all of my efforts have turned up nothing so far. Google is flooded with 'sleeper hold' pages that only refer to the Pro Wrestling version, which is not very helpful to me =) Thanks for your input! DrWoody 07:47, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Try [1]. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:53, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• Very nicely written, the care you've taken shows. However, the title capitalization is non-standard, you need to rename it "Sleeper hold", see Wikipedia:Naming conventions: "Convention: Do not capitalize second and subsequent words unless the title is a proper noun (such as a name) or is otherwise almost always capitalized, e.g. use John Wayne but Computer game." It's a simple procedure, you won't feel a thing: click tab "Move" and follow instructions. Agree with Wegian that references are necessary and a picture would be lovely. (Don't get the "you must mean.." bit.)--Bishonen | Talk 03:20, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I have changed the title to 'Sleeper hold'. I had noticed that small problem when re-writing the article, but someone else had originally titled it with both words capitalized and I was not sure if it was appropriate to move it =) See above regarding references. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "(Don't get the "you must mean.." bit.)". Thanks! DrWoody 07:47, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hi again, doc. The copyright issues are basically that you can only use for instance a picture you find on the web if a) you can get permission from the copyright holder to release it under GFDL (unlikely) or b) it's really old, or the person who created it has been dead for 100 years (even more unlikely). I think your best bet would be to take a posed photo yourself and upload it, stating that you're relasing it under GFDL.
Your reference problem is a bit trickier than average, I must say. Do you think you'd be able to get any references by asking the person you learned it from? I don't know the subject well enough (trying unsuccessfully to sound like I have the slightest idea of the subject) to figure out a smart way of limiting a Google search—do you think you have exhausted that possiblity? (A simple "sleeper hold" minus ""professional wrestling" is no help, I see.) A third possibility: drop a note on User talk:Taxman and lay your referencing problem before him, he has given a lot of thought to the subject and believes, I think, that it's possible to find references for any article (if it's a legitimate article at all).
Sorry the "...you must mean" was confusing, it was no big deal, just that I was talking about agreeing with Wegian's comment and thought I'd better point out that I don't get what Wegian meant by saying "you must mean Sleeper Hold <wink>". Best, Bishonen | Talk 20:21, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)