User talk:Poshcoffee

Managing a conflict of interest[edit]

Hello, Poshcoffee. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places, or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic, and it is important when editing Wikipedia articles that such connections be completely transparent. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, we ask that you please:

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Please take a few moments to read and review Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 14:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Response to Drmies[edit]

Thank you Drmies for your comment. There is no conflict of interest in anything I have contributed to and I feel no real need to disclose any personal information to prove that (I can't say how it would prove anything even if I did?). The Pret A Manger page was altered in a way that clearly echoes the companies own PR version of the founding of that sandwich chain, and I find such alteration to be suspicious.

I was careful to recognise the founders of the Pret A Manger group with being responsible for making the brand what it is today, however I don't think that their PR version of the companies history should outweigh the truth about who founded the first Pret A Manger, no matter how small that founding moment might have been. Metcalf and Beecham did an outstanding job of making Pret a global brand, but they did not found the company, and merely saying it loudly backed by the mountain of PR cash, doesn't make that claim any less false than it very much is. Wikipedia is not here to assist corporations peddle their wares or messages, as the facts of the first Pret A Manger can easily be dated from British company records I see no reason why the rightful founder should be overlooked by wikipedia or its editors. Poshcoffee (talk) 15:20, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You can discuss that on the article talk page. In the meantime, please don't go around making edits like this--that's why I looked at you suspiciously to begin with. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 12:59, 23 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes please stop editing. Pret a manger as it is known today is a totally separate company to the cafe started by Hyman in 1983. The name Pret a Manger was purchased by Metcalfe and Beecham of liquidators. No assets were purchased just a name. I suggest you create a separate wikipedia page for Pret a Manger (the cafe in Hampstead) where you can list Jeffry Hyman as founder and include a section about the sale of the name to Metcalfe and Beecham. At the moment you are editing the page that refers to Pret a Manger (the multinational sandwich chain) which is a totally separate entity founded by Julian Metcalfe and Sinclair Beecham with its first store in Victoria in 1986. Cos02125 (talk) 15:41, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think you'll find that this argument is deeply flawed. McDonalds was started by two brothers who had nothing to do with the company becoming the global giant it is today, yet those two brothers are recognised as the founders. So while I understand that Pret A Manger is uncomfortable that it's corporate li(n)e can be debunked, it will have to put up with the truth being what it is, that Jeffrey Hyman very clearly founded the sandwich shop Pret A Manger. Did he have anything to do with the company becoming what we know today, no, but so what? Poshcoffee (talk) 20:30, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]